Dear listers: My questions/comments and suggestions regarding the scribe guidelines are as under:
1. few of the examination conducting bodies provide their own writers like SSC. My personal experience is that I got the scribe who was disinterestted in the exam and was in a hurry to just finish the exam. All he was interested in Rs. 250 which they got as a scribe fee. Should SSC and others not do some sensitisation programme before they send their employees as scribes? 2. The current MSJE scribe guidelines are very flexible and its implementation solely lies with the invigilator by being strongly vigilant. To do away with this responsibility, strong rules are imposed on candidates. Sighted people also cheat. Thus, the eligation on blind candidates is not exceptional. At the end of the day cheating is a human tendencies. Thus, strong invigilation is meant for all the candidates. 3. Can there be a provision of Writer Bank by MSJE? -- ** Best,Binni Kumari|Programme Manager Helpdesk! Score Foundation 17/107, Basement, Vikram Vihar, Lajpatnagar 4, New Delhi 110024, INDIA. Helpdesk:+91 - 11 - 460 70 380 (Monday to Friday 10am to 5pm) Office Phone: +91 - 11 - 26472582/81 Email:bi...@eyeway.org Websites: scorefoundation.org.in <http://www.scorefoundation.org.in/> www.eyeway.org ****** <http://www.youtube.com/user/eyewayindia><https://twitter.com/friendsofeyeway> <https://www.facebook.com/projecteyeway> On 6/24/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote: > They can't be too nerrowly defined also! > > On 6/24/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Guidelines can not be individual centric. We don't want such >> guidelines those will struggle in their implementation. >> >> On 6/24/15, raaju <bidh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Fully agreed with ajay! I even have faced the same issue when I'm >>> persuing >>> B >>> C a. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Ajay Minocha >>> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:54 PM >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: Writer guidelines >>> >>> Hi, >>> For your reference, sighting an example. >>> I had a subject called "Option Futures and Other Derivatives" which is >>> only taught in 2nd year in almost all the MBA programs. >>> It does contain a lot of complex equations like "BSOPM", "Measurement >>> of bond Duration, various kinds of yealds etc". >>> How will you explain all these complex fractions to a person who >>> hasn't even seen them before? >>> Wouldn't it waste a lot of your quality time in making him/ her right >>> the equation correctly? >>> Similar issue our friend Kartik has also faced in past. >>> If being a 12th class student he wants the scribe to write fiew >>> formulas which are only in class 12 syllabus then how will he manage >>> to do this in so- called time limit? >>> Wouldn't it cause extra disadvantage to his career? >>> How can he insure that the scribe has written the fraction/ equation >>> correctly? >>> If it is a formula then he can still verify it through the >>> calculations but what about that situation where numbers are not >>> involved? >>> Hope this clarifies things. >>> Regards, >>> Ajay >>> >>> >>> On 6/20/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I couldn't get your second point. How does the person who knows all >>>> the simbels and notations, is more or over qualified than you? If one >>>> person is pursuing MBA program, cann't he get a scribe who is junior >>>> from the same stream who know how to write those particular symbols? >>>> In academic exams, my argument is that your scribe should not have >>>> passed the same exam at higher level in which you are appearing. Is it >>>> too hard? >>>> Then tell me how the mentality of the sarkari officers would be >>>> changed, who are believing that there are some chances of cheating >>>> etc. if candidate's own senior is writing his exam. >>>> And no authority is ready to accept those guidelines, so called MSJE >>>> guidelines which provide this unreasonable clause. >>>> >>>> On 6/19/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I have following things to say. >>>>> 1. I fully agree with Avinash, Just imposing a bar on qualification >>>>> isn't a full- proof solution to crackdown malpractices by the >>>>> candidates. >>>>> If the incompitant visually impaired people have got jobs in banks by >>>>> greesing the palms of their scribes then it's the flaw of system and >>>>> other candidates can't be left tu suffer because of them. Here I fully >>>>> agree with Harish sir and being a finance student have seen the >>>>> practical side of it in this country's one of the most prestigious >>>>> business school. >>>>> 2. Mohib: It will just make my situation more miserable because the >>>>> person who knows all the simbels and notations correctly is over >>>>> qualified and the other one which is allowed by the examining body >>>>> doesn't know anything. So do you want me to forget about my >>>>> preparation and teach him how to read and right that particular >>>>> content? >>>>> 3. Sanjay: look into the technical part of allowing the candidates to >>>>> use screenreaders. >>>>> Even if the examining bodies insure that every computer terminal has a >>>>> workable copy of NVDA installed then how would you insure that the >>>>> system has been tested for all the bugs from a screen reader user's >>>>> perspective? >>>>> The point I want to make is that usage of screen readers in the exams >>>>> can be optional but can't be cumpulsory at any cost. >>>>> 4. Harish sir: using CCTV survailance can be an option but usage of >>>>> mobile phones and other removable camera devices can be a big concern >>>>> for the examining boddies. So those who can't afford a CCTV have to >>>>> rely on human beings only. >>>>> >>>>> P.s: all of it is a personal opinion and I don't intend to hurt >>>>> anyone's feelings. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ajay >>>>> >>>>> On 6/18/15, Misbah <jnu.mis...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> In the era of digital India, I think only way should be to check >>>>>> malpractices in examination is videography. Any other condition like >>>>>> lower educational qualifications may again force back to Stone Age. >>>>>> This present scribe guideline has done a revolutionary change in >>>>>> terms >>>>>> of shifting the blame of malpractice over the system rather than, >>>>>> over >>>>>> the most deprived and neglected poor blind candidates. >>>>>> Hence the responsibility of those who are right now in the realm of >>>>>> the affairs to venture this path very cautiously and open-mindedly. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/18/15, sanjay <sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in> wrote: >>>>>>> Most of the group members including the learned ones are simply >>>>>>> legitimising the dependency. Such provisions can create only >>>>>>> inefficient >>>>>>> and unskilled blind mass. Please remember, it was easy for >>>>>>> unskilled >>>>>>> people to survive in 19th and 20th century because they did have >>>>>>> plenty >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> works to do. But today, the situation has completely changed. >>>>>>> Imagine >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> such guidelines are implemented in school and college levels. I >>>>>>> knew >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a school where writers were also prepared for 10th grade exams with >>>>>>> blind >>>>>>> students before the exams and, in this process, dull students were >>>>>>> ensured >>>>>>> best writers. That school was interested only in grabbing >>>>>>> newspaper >>>>>>> headlines by claiming that their blind students did better than all >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> schools in the state. Rest I leave to your imagination. If such >>>>>>> guidelines >>>>>>> >>>>>>> are backed by some institutes/organisations working for blind who >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> interested only in taking credit for recruiting blind individuals, >>>>>>> then >>>>>>> there is no point in arguing about this subject. >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >>>>>>> accessibility >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>>>>> >>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind >>> ia.org.in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Search for old postings at: >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>>>>> changes, >>>>>>> please >>>>>>> visit the list home page at >>>>>>> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Disclaimer: >>>>>>> 1. 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