I kinda agree with Al... Exchange 12 is still what, 18 months or so out? How many people are going to adopt it the day it's released? My guess is that the companies who do are typically the more IT-aggressive, and 64bit will not be such an obstacle to them. SBS aside (I'll get to that in a minute), a lot of orgs devote their best hardware to Exchange because it takes up so much resource. So I don't think it's a huge stretch to imagine a company who wants to upgrade to E12, looks at their current server, and takes the servers they have scheduled to buy for LCM of something else and then puts E12 on those, and then uses the relinquished but still fairly new hardware to swap out the other LCM-ready hardware. If, that is, they really want to go to E12. My opinion, of course, but I know that on the desktop side, it's already getting difficult to buy x32 anymore.
In light of that, as far as SBS goes... doesn't SBS run on desktop hardware anyway, which will certainly be 64bit by then? (ducking rocks from Susan) :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rich Milburn MCSE, Microsoft MVP - Directory Services Sr Network Analyst, Field Platform Development Applebee's International, Inc. 4551 W. 107th St Overland Park, KS 66207 913-967-2819 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it." - Pablo Picasso -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement I realize we're a bit off-topic, but... I disagree with this being a mistake. A lot of the problems with Exchange (I'll limit the discussion to this area, joe ;) centered around memory addressing. It wasn't until Windows 2003 SP1 that they reversed the recommendation to use PAE vs. not. When clustering, memory was always a limiting factor. 64bit price differential doesn't seem to be terribly huge, so I'm not sure what the objection is other than it may slow down adoption for those that purchased new-ish 32bit systems and don't want to upgrade the hardware yet. To that, I would say that hardware is likely the least of your costs in this equation. In the smallest of shops, that may be closer to equal in terms of costs. As you scale up and add features, hardware is almost always the cheapest resource in the equation. Can you expand into why you think 64bit only would be a problem? I'd like to at least understand this a bit better. If you need to, feel free to drop the note off-line so we don't drift too far OT. Al >From: "Michael B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:56:36 -0500 > >It was made in the Exchange product team meetings with the Exchange >MVPs. > >I can assure you, our reaction was not positive. I think it is a serious >mistake. > >M > >________________________________ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:03 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit >announcement > > >Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the summit, I think >he would have been beaten up pretty bad.... > > >"Muglia made several product announcements during his keynote address. > >As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been >delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly >released SQL Server(tm) 2005, Visual Studio(r) 2005 and Virtual Server >2005 R2. To help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit >computing, products including Microsoft(r) Exchange Server "12," Windows >Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server(tm) "Longhorn" Small >Business Server, and Microsoft's infrastructure solution for midsize >businesses, code-named "Centro," will be exclusively 64-bit and >optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update release to Microsoft's >upcoming Windows Server "Longhorn" operating system, code-named Windows >Server "Longhorn" R2, customers will see the complete transition to >64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and 64-bit >application compatibility. For the highest-scale application and >database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will >continue to be the premier choice for customers for years to come." > >The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going into all of >those small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but to >buy a new server when they want to get the new security enhancements. > >I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some time. Though I >am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now. > >Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there? Something with >maybe a BSD license? > > joe > > >________________________________ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit >announcement > > > >Where'd you find that? > > > >Thanks, >Brian Desmond > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >c - 312.731.3132 > > > > > >________________________________ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:33 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; >[email protected] >Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement > > > >This just in: > >"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make sure >those of you who are not get the latest updates. 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