That is possible, then. G4 was when they added the USB ports on the front and the usb key stuff.
Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert Duro > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 1:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT - USB HD no boot > > DL380 R03 P2400XEON US > > Product #: 257917-001 > > Thank you, Brian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Desmond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 6:09 PM > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT - USB HD no boot > > > What generation and model is the server - DL is just the make, still > need the model and year. :) > > Thanks, > Brian Desmond > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c - 312.731.3132 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert Duro > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 3:51 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT - USB HD no boot > > > > Nothing doing. I tried it on a 3-year old Proliant DL. I couldn't > > find any > > USB settings, not in the boot order, not in the boot selections, not > > anywhere. It's back to the old switch and bai...er...boot > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Albert Duro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 7:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies > > > > > > > That's a great revelation. Thank you. I'll try it first thing in > > the > > > morning. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Laura A. Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 2:25 PM > > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies > > > > > > > > >> Remember when I asked about the BIOS? :-) > > >> > > >> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/usb-boot.mspx > > >> > > >> You can check out the links at the end for more information, but > > again, > > >> this > > >> is set in the BIOS of the machine. > > >> > > >> Laura > > >> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob > > Anderson > > >>> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:03 PM > > >>> To: [email protected] > > >>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies > > >>> > > >>> Susan, > > >>> How did you do that I would love to be able to reboot > > >>> with a worry. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Bob > > >>> IT Guy > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > >>> Susan Bradley, > > >>> CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] > > >>> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:04 PM > > >>> To: [email protected] > > >>> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies > > >>> > > >>> And on my DC I removed the USB drive as a boot device. > > >>> > > >>> So now I can be at home in my jammies and remotely reboot the > > server > > >>> with no issues and it will reboot just fine. > > >>> > > >>> Bob Anderson wrote: > > >>> > Laura, > > >>> > Yea that on bit me big time. Had our Domain Controller running > > >>> and > > >>> > added a USB Drive all was fine. Along came Microsoft with > > >>> the darned > > >>> > Updates and there 'Computer Must be restarted' Well it > restarted > > >>> > alright and would not reboot. Talked to IBM Server Support for > 4 > > >>> > hours be for I finally figured it out myself. That was the > > >>> only time > > >>> > I ever taught something to them and not the other way around. > > >>> > > > >>> > I have since update the restart procedure to say 'Power off the > > USB > > >>> > drive before the system restarts.' > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > Bob > > >>> > IT Guy > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > > >>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura > A. > > >>> > Robinson > > >>> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:41 AM > > >>> > To: [email protected] > > >>> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies > > >>> > > > >>> > Umm, that was kinda the point I was trying to make, Bob. :-) > > >>> > > > >>> > Laura > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> >> -----Original Message----- > > >>> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > >>> Bob Anderson > > >>> >> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:09 AM > > >>> >> To: [email protected] > > >>> >> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Laura, > > >>> >> It doesn't matter what the boot order is. Most servers have an > > >>> >> internal Raid configuration that doesn't kick in until after > the > > >>> >> machine goes through it's start up and by them it has > > >>> found the USB > > >>> >> and not the hard disks. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> And yes I have this on two of my servers. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Bob Anderson > > >>> >> IT Guy > > >>> >> Kent Sporting Goods > > >>> >> 433 Park Ave. S > > >>> >> New London OH 44851 > > >>> >> 419-929-7021 x315 > > >>> >> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> -----Original Message----- > > >>> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura > > A. > > >>> >> Robinson > > >>> >> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 10:52 AM > > >>> >> To: [email protected] > > >>> >> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies > > >>> >> > > >>> >> What's the boot order in the BIOS on those machines? > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Laura > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > >>> Albert Duro > > >>> >>> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 10:54 AM > > >>> >>> To: [email protected] > > >>> >>> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> Ah, that brings up another interesting point. I use USB > > >>> >>> > > >>> >> external hard > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >>> drives too, and I've found that some WinXP and > > >>> >>> Server2003 machines will not boot if a USB hard drive is > > >>> >>> > > >>> >> attached--I > > >>> >> > > >>> >>> have to remember to turn it off while booting. > > >>> >>> Anyone else seen this? > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> >>> From: "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" > > >>> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> >>> To: <[email protected]> > > >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:02 PM > > >>> >>> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies (was) Exchange > > >>> >>> > > >>> >> Log files > > >>> >> > > >>> >>> --Disk > > >>> >>> Full-- > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>> No tape drives here. If it has a USB connection we are > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >> in business. > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>> Albert Duro wrote: > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>>> Yes, BE does do disk backup. But I have some objections: > > >>> >>>>> A. They don't make it easy, infact they make an > > unnecessarily > > >>> >>>>> complicated production of it. > > >>> >>>>> B. I started doing NTBackup to disk while (and because) > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> I was still > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> troubleshooting BE. When I gave up on BE and its > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> brethren, NTBackup > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> was a natural segway, and already in place and working. > > >>> >>>>> C. I discovered one great advantage that > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> NTBackup-to-disk has over > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> any other backup system: with a bit of planning, it is > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> proof against > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> almost any combination of crash and burn. You have a > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> backup file on > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> two or more disks/machines. Things go bad, you can do > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> recovery from > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> any Windows machine; you can move or copy the backup > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> disks/files to > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> any machine. Try doing that with a sophisticated tape- > based > > or > > >>> >>>>> SAN-based system. Imagine having to replace the tape > > >>> >>>>> drive/autoloader with the exact same type, while rebuilding > a > > >>> >>>>> same-hardware three-year old server to the exact same > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> configuration, > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> same SPs, same backup software, same drivers. I can > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> guarantee that > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> at least one of those necessary replacement elements will > be > > >>> >>>>> impossible to find, even under leisurely conditions. [1] > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> Yes, there > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> are strategies to deal with that, but if you could spend > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> that kind of > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> money, you would have gotten a double-redundant > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> bullet-proof system in the first place. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> I truly hope that I'm wrong out of lack of knowledge and > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> pessimism. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> I am open to being corrected and encouraged. > > >>> >>>>> [1] Naturally, the tape drive drivers will be on the same > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> tape that > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> you can't access nohow. Download the drivers from the > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> OEM, you say? > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> Chances are excellent that the OEM has gone out of > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> business, or sold > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> out to a giant who prunes out what they don't like (and > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> what you > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> need), or changed the name or version number on it out of > > sheer > > >>> >>>>> orneryness. If you do get to what looks like the right > > >>> drivers, > > >>> >>>>> you're likely to find that the last minor upgrade version > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> that really > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> worked well for you has been dropped, or tweaked into > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> your trouble > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> zone. I can testify to ALL these experiences. I think > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> others can too. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> *From:* Al Mulnick <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> > > >>> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:27 PM > > >>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies (was) > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> Exchange Log > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> files --Disk Full-- > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> Trying to remember exactly, but doesn't BE have an > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> option to use > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> disk vs. tape drives? > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> You *could* run a test to help simplify and rule out > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> some of the > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> complexity. Could take a while, but might be worth it. > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> Al > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> On 11/2/06, *Albert Duro* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> Why does NTBackup work for me and BE not, when > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> they are at > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> core the same product? > > >>> >>>>> I wondered about that too. Here are my thoughts. > > >>> >>>>> First, NTBackup is a simpler product that doesn't > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> get tangled > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> up with the complexities of scheduling and a GUI. > > >>> >>>>> But the real reason, I think, is that I've been > doing > > >>> >>>>> NTBackups to disk, while BE was to tape. > > >>> >>>>> I've always suspected that most, if not all of my > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> difficulties > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> with BE had to do with the drivers for the tape > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> drives and > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> autoloaders, and with the SCSI interface to > > >>> other devices > > >>> >>>>> ('other' being anything beyond the normal HD and CD > > >>> >>>>> complement) > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> >>>>> *From:* Al Mulnick <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> > > >>> >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:11 AM > > >>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files - > - > > Disk > > >>> >>>>> Full-- > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> Well put Albert. Thanks for that feedback. > > >>> >>>>> What still has me curious is why BE wouldn't > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> work in your > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> environment and why ntbackup does (partially > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> at least). > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> ntbackup as written by the same exact people and has a lot > > >>> >>>>> of the same code (it's licensed by Microsoft > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> from Seagate > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> last I checked). Ntbackup is the less > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> featured version > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> designed for single host backups and extended > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> to act like > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> it does more. > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> So that said, I agree that the goal is that > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> your client's > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> data is backed up. I have to say that I > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> disagree that > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> jury-rigs, mickey mouse and by the seat of > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> your pants is > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> the long term solution though. That's an > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> infrastructure > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> component that will come back to haunt at some > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> point down > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> the road. As an interim fix, of course it can > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> work. I'm > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> not blinded by the big vendors to the point > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> that I think > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> they have the only solution. Far from it. > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> But I like to > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> think that I can at least share some > perspective > > and > > >>> >>>>> experience related to where it leads and I > > >>> definitely > > >>> >>>>> favor technology over layer8 processes. > > >>> Why? Because > > >>> >>>>> layer8 changes and grows out of current > > >>> positions and > > >>> >>>>> foundational solutions should not have to be > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> decimated > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> when that happens. I've seen that way too > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> often to care > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> to see it continue where possible. > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> Basically, I hate to see a foundational > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> solution such as > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> backup, rely on such complexity and human > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> intervention. I > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> completely understand that you have to do what > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> you have to > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> do. When you wrote it in your original email, > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> it sounded > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> like you approved of that method. Reading > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> this last one, > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> I can you don't. I was just trying to point > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> out where > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> that leads and trying to understand how you go > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> there. I > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> bet I would have gotten there the same way > > >>> you did ;) > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> Best of luck getting that worked out. > > >>> >>>>> If you need anything from me, please don't > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> hesitate. I > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> have been known to make some backup > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> solutions work :) > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> Feel free to ping off-line if I can be of any help. > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> On 10/31/06, *Albert Duro* > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> Al, since you ask, no I don't see it > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> differently, at > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> least not at the oratorical level. But > > >>> where the > > >>> >>>>> rubber meets the road, things can look > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> very different. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> Like the military say, the best laid plan > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> falls apart > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> the moment it meets the enemy. You > > >>> assume that I > > >>> >>>>> monkey around with Ntbackup and balky media > > for > > >>> >>>>> economic reasons. In fact, we spared no > > expense > > >>> >>>>> (relative to our small size) to put in > > >>> >>>>> industrial-strength backup systems, both > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> software and > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> hardware. Even paid consultants to set > > >>> it up and > > >>> >>>>> manage it. > > >>> >>>>> It blew up in our faces. Primarily > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> because Backup > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> Exec just wouldn't work right in our > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> environment. > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> (I'm not saying that BE isn't a fine product, it would > > >>> >>>>> just never work for us). Why not? > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> Don't know -- I > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> couldn't figure it out. Our > > >>> consultants couldn't > > >>> >>>>> figure it out. Veritas support couldn't > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> either, nor > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> the autoloader manufacturer. For more > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> than two years, > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> nobody could figure it out, until I > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> decided to stop > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> throwing good money after bad. > > >>> >>>>> Did I try alternative products? In the > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> same class, > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> yes -- more tales of woe, but different > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> reasons. We > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> did not nor are we going to buy the > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> high-end systems, > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> which cost more than our whole network is > > worth. > > >>> >>>>> So I was left with NTBackup, and admittedly > a > > >>> >>>>> little more gun-shyness about brand-name > > backup > > >>> >>>>> products than is strictly rational. > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> That's what I > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> have to work with, and I try to make the > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> best of it. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> That's the 'real world' in my little corner of it. > > >>> >>>>> Believe me, when you and joe and others on > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> this list > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> urge us to 'make the best', I listen, I > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> learn, and I > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> applaud. And it does push me in that > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> direction. But > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> the only path there goes through 'make > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> the best of > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> what you've got'. It's bumpy and often > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> barricaded. > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> But after all is said and done, the REAL > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> point is that > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> I am preserving my clients' data and > > >>> keeping them > > >>> >>>>> happy. Jury-rigs, mickey mouse, and > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> by-the-pants not > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> withstanding. > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> -- Original Message ----- > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> *From:* Al Mulnick > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> > > >>> >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:30 > AM > > >>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange > > >>> Log files > > >>> >>>>> --Disk Full-- > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> sub-optimal media are part of the > > >>> real world? > > >>> >>>>> Wow, thanks :) > > >>> >>>>> Truth be told, that's a rant of mine. > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> I've heard > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> a lot (lately especially) about how we > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> want to do > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> things cheap and inexpensive and > > >>> we'll fix it > > >>> >>>>> later and so on. I've also spent a > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> great deal of > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> time cleaning up that kind of stuff. > > >>> >>>>> Unfortunately, once it escapes into the "real > > >>> >>>>> world" then it becomes more difficult > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> to clean up > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> because you have to do so in front of > > >>> >>>>> customers/clients. > > >>> >>>>> Interesting approach though. Usually a > > less > > >>> >>>>> disciplined from what I've seen and > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> often results > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> in more expense related to downtime and > > >>> >>>>> troubleshooting and lack of service. > I'm > > >>> >>>>> interested if you see differently > though. > > >>> >>>>> This area of the business fascinates > > me.... > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> On 10/28/06, *Albert Duro* > > >>> >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > wrote: > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> I'm sure you and Susan are > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> right. All I'm > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> saying is that it *can* happen, > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> and for me, > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> why take the chance when > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> one-job/one-task is > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> easy to do. > > >>> >>>>> Good point about the media, and > that > > may > > >>> >>>>> explain my case, but, hey, > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> sub-optimal media > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> situations are part of the real > > world. > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> >>>>> *From:* Al Mulnick > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> >>>>> *To:* > > [email protected] > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > > >>> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 28, > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> 2006 6:33 AM > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> Exchange Log > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> files --Disk Full-- > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> I've not had that same > > experience. > > >>> >>>>> Granted, it's a limited feature utility > > >>> >>>>> (note the use of the word > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> utility vs. tool > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> as requested) but it's still > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> capable of > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> doing more. There were > > >>> some fixes to > > >>> >>>>> ntbackup in service packs and > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> such. You > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> might want to verify you're > > >>> using the > > >>> >>>>> latest version of that's > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> what you see. > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> Also, check the media it's > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> headed to. > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> It's error handling is not very elegant, > > >>> >>>>> but I've found it to be useful > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> and strong > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> enough to stand up to some > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> complex tasks > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> in the past. I've got several > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> running now > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> via cli that have been in > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> place for more > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> than half a year without issue > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> (I know, I > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> know, spend all that money on > an > > >>> >>>>> enterprise backup system > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> only to backup > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> some machines locally. But > > >>> there are > > >>> >>>>> times when it makes more > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> sense, trust me.) > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> -ajm > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> On 10/27/06, *Albert Duro* > > >>> >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> I've found, with NTbackup, > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> that if you > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> cram two or more tasks > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> into a backup > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> job, it's very likely to > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> fail. For > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> example, if you do a > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> System State and > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> a file backup and an > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> Exchange backup > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> in the same job. It's best > > to > > >>> >>>>> separate each task into > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> its own job, > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> and sort it out in the > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> scheduling. > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> A mixed job will also work > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> for a while > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> and then fail, which > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> sounds like what > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> happened to OP. > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> ----- Original Message > -- > > --- > > >>> >>>>> *From:* Wells, James > > Arthur > > >>> >>>>> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> >>>>> *To:* > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> [email protected] > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> *Cc:* Technical Support > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> October 26, 2006 > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> 2:21 PM > > >>> >>>>> *Subject:* RE: > > [ActiveDir] > > >>> >>>>> Exchange Log files > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> --Disk Full-- > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> Do you have multiple > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> information > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> stores on this > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> storage group? > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> (If using Exchange Enterprise > > >>> >>>>> edition)...the logs > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> can't flush > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> until all stores have a > > full > > >>> >>>>> backup, because the > logs > > are > > >>> >>>>> shared... > > >>> >>>>> --James > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > >>> >>> ---------- > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> *From:* > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> >>>>> [mailto: > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > >>> >>>>> *On Behalf Of > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> *Technical Support > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> October 26, 2006 > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> 3:16 PM > > >>> >>>>> *To:* > > >>> >>>>> [email protected] > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>; > > >>> >>>>> > > [email protected] > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> *Subject:* RE: > > [ActiveDir] > > >>> >>>>> Exchange Log files > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> --Disk Full-- > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> Hi, > > >>> >>>>> I am running Normal > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> Backup. Using > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> NTBackup Utility. > Backing > > up > > >>> >>>>> Information store. > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > >>> >>> ---------- > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> *From:* > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> >>>>> on behalf of Missy > > Koslosky > > >>> >>>>> *Sent:* Thu > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> 10/26/2006 12:49 PM > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> *To:* > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> [email protected] > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> *Subject:* RE: > > [ActiveDir] > > >>> >>>>> Exchange Log files > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> --Disk Full-- > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> Are you running full > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> (AKA normal) > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> backups every night? > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> It seems not. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> Use NTBackup to > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> backup to disk > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> (obviously, you'll > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> need a disk > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> with over 120GB of > > available > > >>> >>>>> space) and then use > > whatever > > >>> >>>>> normal program you > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> use to back > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> that backup onto tape. > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> This will > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> keep you running > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> until you sort > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> out why your normal > > backup > > >>> >>>>> software isn't > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> flushing the logs > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> when the backup > > completes. > > >>> >>>>> How are you > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> currently running > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> backups? What software > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> is in use? > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> Are you sure it's > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> Exchange aware? > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> Are you doing brick > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> level backups > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> or copy backups > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> instead of a full > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> backup? Neither will > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> flush the logs. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> I'd resolve this as > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> quickly as > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> possible, because if > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> you are in a > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> situation where you > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> have to replay > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> the logs, you're NOT > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> going to be a > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> happy camper. > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > >>> >>> ---------- > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> *From:* > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> >>>>> [mailto: > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > >>> >>>>> *On Behalf Of > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> *Technical Support > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> October 26, 2006 > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> 11:09 AM > > >>> >>>>> *To:* > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> [email protected] > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> *Subject:* > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> [ActiveDir] Exchange > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> Log files --Disk Full-- > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> Hi All, > > >>> >>>>> Kindly suggest, > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >> what i can do > > >>> >> > > >>> >>>>> about my Exchange Log > > files? > > >>> >>>>> I have about 120 GB > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> Log files for > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> past 4 months. I have > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> a few doubts:- > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> Do i really need all > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> those log > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> files? > > >>> >>>>> If yes, Then how is it > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> possible to > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> manage with this as i > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> have a very > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> limited space left. > > >>> >>>>> Can i delete these > > >>> log files? > > >>> >>>>> Backup doesnt remove > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> these log files? > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> i am really running > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> out of space > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> on my Exchange log > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>> storage drive. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>>>> *Thanks!!!* > > >>> >>>>> Ravi > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > >>> >>>> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > >>> >>>> List archive: > > >>> >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > >>> >>> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > >>> >>> List archive: > > >>> >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > >>> >>> > > >>> >> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > >>> >> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > >>> >> List archive: > > >>> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > >>> >> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > >>> >> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > >>> >> List archive: > > >>> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > >>> >> > > >>> > > > >>> > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > >>> > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > >>> > List archive: > > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > >>> > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > >>> > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > >>> > List archive: > > >>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > >>> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > >>> List archive: > > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > >>> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > >>> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > >>> List archive: > > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > >> > > >> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > >> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > >> List archive: http://www.mail- > > archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > > > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > > List archive: http://www.mail- > > archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > > > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > List archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
