It does not happen to anyone. But when it happens, the concept of a particular person having a body-mind is destroyed.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]>wrote: > How can anyone be conceptually enlightened? > > Enlightenment is a meaning we give to an apparent awakening of awareness > from nothing. Enlightenment already is a concept. It is not real and it > doesn't happen to anyone. > > So how can you have a conceptual concept. > > Even in a book? > > Sent from an iPhone > > > On 22 Jun 2010, at 04:35, godszen <[email protected]> wrote: > > You've been ready too many books >> >> you're conceptually enlightened >> >> On Jun 21, 3:37 am, jp EnlightenmentGuy <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Jun 20, 5:56 pm, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> If you are quoting Wayne Liquorman why are you asking such simplistic >>>> questions here? >>>> >>> >>> Seems like this is how it often goes. >>> >>> Here, there was a lifting of the veil, an opening, clear seeing, >>> Enlightenment. For a time. >>> >>> Then it seemingly went away. >>> >>> Then... DAMNATION. The pendulum swung all the way the other way. >>> >>> A well-known process. >>> >>> This part sometimes called The Dark Night of the Soul -- Saint John of >>> the Cross feeling abandoned by God. >>> >>> Or in the Zen 10 Ox Hearding Pictures, probably 2 and 3 and 4 >>> unfolding simultaneously, sometimes seemingly progressing, sometimes >>> reverting all the way back to the beginning. >>> >>> I guess I was hoping somewhere in a group of people actually calling >>> itself Advaita Zen there would be some who were familiar with this >>> process, perhaps had even been through it, and could guide. >>> Spectacularly difficult to find a wise and skillful teacher. >>> >>> SEIZING THE OX >>> You have exhausted all your faculties to take hold of him. >>> Because his spirit is strong and his strength abundant, >>> it is difficult to rid him of his habits. >>> Sometimes he goes to the top of the high plain. >>> Other times he resides in clouds and smoke. >>> >>
