It is interesting. The day that I had this realization happen, I was still trying to find out where the "I am" is coming from. I was reading Nisargadatta's "I am that" ebook for almost 6 months now. I was extremely curious about his writings. I was making many discoveries about my mind, consciousness and awareness and the journey was quite filled with terror and many mishaps but I am always a fun loving guy looking for more experiences even if it meant mental illness. Finally it happened. The "I am" which I thought was arising from the head was found to be coming from the centre of the Chest. As soon as I realized this, a sudden flash of energy was felt inside and the whole weight inside my head had vanished all of a sudden. The centre of gravity had shifted from the head to the chest. I was coming from the chest. I was not in the head as I had thought all my life. This non-existent "I" of the head was ruling my life for so long that now I felt like an invisible man who had discovered a very very dangerous secret....that none of us are really real!!! hahahaahahahahaha. I was laughing at a woman who passed by. I was laughing around looking at strangers for almost 5 or 6 months since then because I knew what they were. They were all me. But they thought they were different and seperate. That is the secret of realization. If you know yourself, you know each and every human being on earth. That is why Tony Parsons calls it an open secret. It is blissful but nobody wants to know it. I cannot forget it. It took me several months to recover from this shock. Thankfully the "I" of the head is also needed because it keeps you in balance sometimes and helps you stay a part of society.
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:30 AM, jp EnlightenmentGuy < [email protected]> wrote: > Enlightenment is when what has always been thought of as you, is seen > to NEVER have existed. > > "You" are the child of a barren woman. > - Nisargadatta Maharaj > (Child of a barren woman? There is NO such thing! That is what you are > -- "you" has never existed.) > > "You" are a bird trying to escape from an empty cage. > - Wei Wu Wei > (The cage is empty, "you" are the bird -- it(you) has NEVER existed!) > > I would agree with you ROOMSEARCHING, except that the concept of "you" > does not get destroyed, it is seen to have never existed (that which > never existed can't be destroyed, it never existed!) > > It is seen by, well, seeing itself. > > > David Carse, Perfect Brilliant Stillness, page 138... > > Of course, make no mistake, from the point of view of > the total Understanding this teaching about whether you > are the doer is in fact redundant; the question does not > even arise. With the Understanding comes the natural > and spontaneous apperception that there is no one here, > no individual to either be the doer or not be the doer. So > the question is moot. What you think of as yourself; the > whole package of body, mind, personality, ego, sense of > individuality, personal history; none of that even exists as > such, as anything other than an idea, a story, a concept in > Consciousness. The discussion of whether or not 'you' can > be a doer or not is, as Wei Wu Wei writes, like discussing > whether the bird in the empty cage is captive. The cage is > empty! There is nobody home! > > > > > > On Jun 22, 5:05 am, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > It does not happen to anyone. > > > > But when it happens, the concept of a particular person having a > body-mind > > is destroyed. > > > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > How can anyone be conceptually enlightened? > > > > > Enlightenment is a meaning we give to an apparent awakening of > awareness > > > from nothing. Enlightenment already is a concept. It is not real and it > > > doesn't happen to anyone. > > > > > So how can you have a conceptual concept. > > > > > Even in a book? > > > > > Sent from an iPhone > > > > > On 22 Jun 2010, at 04:35, godszen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You've been ready too many books > > > > >> you're conceptually enlightened > > > > >> On Jun 21, 3:37 am, jp EnlightenmentGuy <[email protected] > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >>> On Jun 20, 5:56 pm, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> If you are quoting Wayne Liquorman why are you asking such > simplistic > > >>>> questions here? > > > > >>> Seems like this is how it often goes. > > > > >>> Here, there was a lifting of the veil, an opening, clear seeing, > > >>> Enlightenment. For a time. > > > > >>> Then it seemingly went away. > > > > >>> Then... DAMNATION. The pendulum swung all the way the other way. > > > > >>> A well-known process. > > > > >>> This part sometimes called The Dark Night of the Soul -- Saint John > of > > >>> the Cross feeling abandoned by God. > > > > >>> Or in the Zen 10 Ox Hearding Pictures, probably 2 and 3 and 4 > > >>> unfolding simultaneously, sometimes seemingly progressing, sometimes > > >>> reverting all the way back to the beginning. > > > > >>> I guess I was hoping somewhere in a group of people actually calling > > >>> itself Advaita Zen there would be some who were familiar with this > > >>> process, perhaps had even been through it, and could guide. > > >>> Spectacularly difficult to find a wise and skillful teacher. > > > > >>> SEIZING THE OX > > >>> You have exhausted all your faculties to take hold of him. > > >>> Because his spirit is strong and his strength abundant, > > >>> it is difficult to rid him of his habits. > > >>> Sometimes he goes to the top of the high plain. > > >>> Other times he resides in clouds and smoke. >
