*There is nothing called as human. Everything is Self whether dead or alive. *
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > . > > There is something special about all things. > > Even humans …………. > > > . > > On 30 June, 15:22, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > > . > > > > Sure that "I am" Yes, very sure. > > > > What else should I need ???? > > > > What use is fear or doubt of our ability to declare "I am" > > > > It's real ............. > > > > . > > > > On 30 June, 14:58, jp EnlightenmentGuy <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jun 30, 9:13 am, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Yes ............. but not quite. > > > > > > This scientific fact does not include conscious awareness. > > > > > > Because conscious awareness remains ineffable to science. > > > > Yet we all clearly enjoy its reality. > > > > > I think you are talking about the Mind-Body Dichotomy: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind-body_problem > > > > > This is the BELIEF that there is something super-special, woo-woo, > > > humans are not just animals, we are special, I have free will, there > > > is "something" about a person that makes it different from all other > > > things in the universe, Man was created in God's image, etc, etc. > > > > > Why was Galileo imprisoned? Because he committed heresy. What was the > > > horrible, blasphemous thingy he suggested? That the Earth is NOT the > > > center of the universe. BLASPHEMY! > > > > > When a human-thing suggests that there is NOTHING special about humans > > > at all, that is BLASPHEMOUS! > > > > > Same thing. (challenging the BELIEF that humans are NOT the center of > > > the universe!) > > > > > You say that we all CLEARLY enjoy an ineffable conscious awareness. > > > > > That is CLEAR, isn't it? > > > > > That is THE ENTIRE POINT OF SPIRITUALITY: To question the most > > > fundamental assumption about yourself, and actually, totally, > > > completely, come to a conclusion. To KNOW, most definitely not to > > > BELIEVE. > > > > > There is a belief in the mind of almost every human that has ever > > > lived that it is self-aware, autonomous, has free will, etc, etc. > > > There is a belief in almost every mind that a human *exists*. > > > > > That is the most fundamental assumption. That IS the sense-of-self. > > > That "I" exist. > > > > > And that is what all spirituality is guiding 'you' to examine -- is > > > this "I" that I think I am really real? > > > > > Are you sure?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
