. This is really good …………
“if all was predetermined why did Buddha, Jesus, and so on waste their lives to tell the rights and the wrongs ? the answer is simple 'what they did was also predetermined'” Yes ……….. quit right. If one is not fully aware of the Actions of karma, then one can simply conclude “well what’s the point in trying”. Moses Jesus, Mohammed where mistaken in their attempts to help the masses. But this is view is still very much a voice of the human ego. Seeing the predetermination of all elements of the now, is also a realisation of it’s flow patterns. How attempts to grind against natures flow can only create pain and suffering within the apparition of self. The illusions of Courage, strength or laziness must still be available options to the masses. Each successive generation will traverse these illusions and hopefully conclude truth. Free will is a very real part of this illusion. All sincere efforts must be made, everyday to lead by example. To offer light in the darkness. “ What’s the point in trying” is to create hopelessness and despair. This undermines human enjoyment of the now. Karma means action. Because free will is an illusion, we must choose morality and virtue. Because we are not capable (in real terms) of making a real choice, all the more reason to try harder to create, in your illusion love, peace and happiness. Can you see ……….. that because it’s predetermined, we must try harder to support the light. When your thoughts or emotions communicate to you. You must act responsibly. Karma is action. Listen to the self. All if it. Good is encrypted into us all. This encryption must always shine through. Our predetermination in play is choice …………………. See it, live it. . On Aug 3, 10:14 am, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > This is quite interesting and while I agree, everything is in a seemingly > predestined motion as choices appear to play out, choice does not negate > happenstance and nobody is entirely sure what is going to happen next > > When choices come from nothing, is the revelation of no place, or space in > and of itself causality or is NOTHING already an effect of meditation / > advaita? > > I guess in your model it is. > > Man created God (space, infinite blissful being or whatever we are calling it > today) in the negation of his own ego > > And so it goes on > > All this then starts to sound like a song a friend of mine might write > > Perhaps I should send him the entire thread and see what happens > > Cheers > > Mark > > Sent from an iPhone > > On 3 Aug 2010, at 04:29, Kuber Technologies <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Bob1357 <[email protected]> wrote: > > I need somebody to explain this to me like I am an idiot that I am. > > Marcus I completely understand what you saying your last post. > > I can not get past the concept that my "life's course" if you will, is > > predetermined. > > > Neither predetermined. > > Nor volitional. > > > If that is the case, every choice I think I am making would have to be > > predetermined. > > Meaning, I'm not making a choice, I'm following suit. > > > Is there a separated entity located at a isolatable loci which follows suit > > to something else? > > > Or is the suit, all that there is..........in and as the moment. > > > The playing out of a choice, any choice whether to scratch the nose or to > > expand the business internationally.... > > > ....is an event ...... > > > .......without the connotation that it is a happening which can be > > extracted, viewed, reviewed and concluded upon(aka whether it was a result > > of a volitional intent/will or it was all part of a predetermined grand > > plan). > > > When the very sense of an event(which includes the sense of a person > > viewing the event) does not have a independent loci....... > > > ......what predeterminism, what volitionality to qualify this not locatable > > loci. > > > Or to put it another way..........for your post to happen and invoke this > > response...... > > > ..as a seemingly isolatable event......... > > > ....ten thousand things had to happen holographically.... > > > ......precisely in the manner that they did, for this event-under-review to > > happen in the manner that it did. > > > There is no linear cause-effect continuum..... > > > .....all causes are the effects of all effects which act as causes > > themselves. > > > Meaning everything that is happening, has happened or will happen is > > exactly the way it is, was and will suppose to be. > > > Yep. > > > Nothing different could have happened, other than the way it did. > > > Including our resident joker-RS. > > > Takes a lot of responsibility off of one's shoulders. > > Almost too much. > > > :-) > > > As part of that holographic happening, bills will keep appearing > > ..........and they will have > > to be paid up. > > > Irrespective of whether the shoulders are lightened and arms are flying, or > > weighed down by the cross of thought. > > > Just having a hard time buying into that .......... so I don't. > > At least not at this point in my life. > > > That's fine. > > > That not-buying is also a nuance of the hologram. > > > A fairly simple mental exercise reveals what is not getting bought. > > > Take a decision, any decision, preferably which has had a deep impact on > > one's life. > > > And go back. > > > I.e. what happened before that decision was decided upon. > > > And what happened previous to that. > > > And previous to that. > > > In a very short time...........a spider's web will be on display........a > > web which depending on memory ......could stretch to several years (and if > > you are keen enough to several life times).......... > > > ...and the seeing that each thread of the web..... > > > ......had to happen exactly in the manner it did...... > > > .......for that decision-under-review to occur in the manner it did.- Hide > > quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
