Good thread, I learned a lot.
On Aug 3, 5:58 am, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > . > > This is really good ………… > > “if all was predetermined why did Buddha, Jesus, and so on > waste their lives to tell the rights and the wrongs ? the answer is > simple 'what they did was also predetermined'” > > Yes ……….. quit right. If one is not fully aware of the Actions > of karma, then one can simply conclude “well what’s the point in > trying”. Moses Jesus, Mohammed where mistaken in their attempts to > help the masses. But this is view is still very much a voice of the > human ego. > > Seeing the predetermination of all elements of the now, is also a > realisation of it’s flow patterns. How attempts to grind against > natures flow can only create pain and suffering within the apparition > of self. The illusions of Courage, strength or laziness must still > be available options to the masses. Each successive generation will > traverse these illusions and hopefully conclude truth. Free will is > a very real part of this illusion. All sincere efforts must be made, > everyday to lead by example. To offer light in the darkness. “ > What’s the point in trying” is to create hopelessness and despair. > This undermines human enjoyment of the now. > > Karma means action. Because free will is an illusion, we must > choose morality and virtue. Because we are not capable (in real > terms) of making a real choice, all the more reason to try harder to > create, in your illusion love, peace and happiness. > > Can you see ……….. that because it’s predetermined, we must try harder > to support the light. > > When your thoughts or emotions communicate to you. You must act > responsibly. Karma is action. Listen to the self. All if it. > Good is encrypted into us all. This encryption must always shine > through. > > Our predetermination in play is choice …………………. See it, live > it. > > . > > On Aug 3, 10:14 am, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This is quite interesting and while I agree, everything is in a seemingly > > predestined motion as choices appear to play out, choice does not negate > > happenstance and nobody is entirely sure what is going to happen next > > > When choices come from nothing, is the revelation of no place, or space in > > and of itself causality or is NOTHING already an effect of meditation / > > advaita? > > > I guess in your model it is. > > > Man created God (space, infinite blissful being or whatever we are calling > > it today) in the negation of his own ego > > > And so it goes on > > > All this then starts to sound like a song a friend of mine might write > > > Perhaps I should send him the entire thread and see what happens > > > Cheers > > > Mark > > > Sent from an iPhone > > > On 3 Aug 2010, at 04:29, Kuber Technologies <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Bob1357 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I need somebody to explain this to me like I am an idiot that I am. > > > Marcus I completely understand what you saying your last post. > > > I can not get past the concept that my "life's course" if you will, is > > > predetermined. > > > > Neither predetermined. > > > Nor volitional. > > > > If that is the case, every choice I think I am making would have to be > > > predetermined. > > > Meaning, I'm not making a choice, I'm following suit. > > > > Is there a separated entity located at a isolatable loci which follows > > > suit to something else? > > > > Or is the suit, all that there is..........in and as the moment. > > > > The playing out of a choice, any choice whether to scratch the nose or to > > > expand the business internationally.... > > > > ....is an event ...... > > > > .......without the connotation that it is a happening which can be > > > extracted, viewed, reviewed and concluded upon(aka whether it was a > > > result of a volitional intent/will or it was all part of a predetermined > > > grand plan). > > > > When the very sense of an event(which includes the sense of a person > > > viewing the event) does not have a independent loci....... > > > > ......what predeterminism, what volitionality to qualify this not > > > locatable loci. > > > > Or to put it another way..........for your post to happen and invoke this > > > response...... > > > > ..as a seemingly isolatable event......... > > > > ....ten thousand things had to happen holographically.... > > > > ......precisely in the manner that they did, for this event-under-review > > > to happen in the manner that it did. > > > > There is no linear cause-effect continuum..... > > > > .....all causes are the effects of all effects which act as causes > > > themselves. > > > > Meaning everything that is happening, has happened or will happen is > > > exactly the way it is, was and will suppose to be. > > > > Yep. > > > > Nothing different could have happened, other than the way it did. > > > > Including our resident joker-RS. > > > > Takes a lot of responsibility off of one's shoulders. > > > Almost too much. > > > > :-) > > > > As part of that holographic happening, bills will keep appearing > > > ..........and they will have > > > to be paid up. > > > > Irrespective of whether the shoulders are lightened and arms are flying, > > > or weighed down by the cross of thought. > > > > Just having a hard time buying into that .......... so I don't. > > > At least not at this point in my life. > > > > That's fine. > > > > That not-buying is also a nuance of the hologram. > > > > A fairly simple mental exercise reveals what is not getting bought. > > > > Take a decision, any decision, preferably which has had a deep impact on > > > one's life. > > > > And go back. > > > > I.e. what happened before that decision was decided upon. > > > > And what happened previous to that. > > > > And previous to that. > > > > In a very short time...........a spider's web will be on display........a > > > web which depending on memory ......could stretch to several years (and > > > if you are keen enough to several life times).......... > > > > ...and the seeing that each thread of the web..... > > > > ......had to happen exactly in the manner it did...... > > > > .......for that decision-under-review to occur in the manner it did.- > > > Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
