On 23 March 2011 20:52, YouWho? <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Mark, how can you honestly say that you know there is a world 'over
> there' or anywhere, functioning on its own, without "I Am"?
>

I have been in some fairly impressive states of inebriation and the sorts of
things one would have expected to have happened in the time I was not there
happened without me LOL


> It is intellectual theory and unprovable.
>

disagree - in this age of technology anything is provable - even things that
are not true :)


> The world arose from "I Am," "I Am" did not arise from the world. "I
> am and individual" arose from the world after the world arose from "I
> Am."
>

and this is provable?


> If you let go of "I Am" as you suggest, where is the world to be
> found?
>

there doesn't need to be a sense of being for a world to exist


>
> And by whom? The answer to question of "by whom(or what)?" is the real
> pith or essence.
>

there isn't anyone - IT is the illusion


> How do you really let go of "I Am" until the body stops drawing
> breath? You can let go of it momentarily as a mental excercise, but
> the non-conceptual understanding that it is not true is the final
> resolve. "I Am" is knowledge, the primal illusion which is without an
> individual to let go of it. Only does the changeless stillness that is
> its silent witness recognize the transience or untruth of that
> Knowledge that is "I Am."


Surely "I Am" is the sense of a being a "me" in the world which showed up
when I was a child before which there was simply what was happening

Yes, realization of "I am not," or perhaps better said, "I am not only
> I Am, but the knower of I Am," is a more accurate pointer, but lo and
> behold, when that is understood, "I Am" is there/here shining in and
> as its illuminative brilliance as an adornment on mySelf. "I am not"
> is true for the individual, but "I Am" is both true and not true for
> the real You, the Supreme Self, the Absolute.


You'll have to explain this more clearly?

Thanks

Mark

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