Nice try Sandeep. Mark, you're missing the points being made.
The frame of reference is from the point of view try to understand and explain the vast mysteries of dreamdoms. The dream character who takes the dream to be true can never really explain the significance or lack of significance of the dream(let alone Consciousness) from the perspective of taking himself to be a dream character. Every attempt will only be dream explanations pointing to aspects and nuances of the dream, and not dream explanations pointing to awakeness. Both types of explanations can only happen in the dream, but the two types of dream pointers are pointing at different things, or no- things, as the case may be. You really do have to drop your frame of reference, or everything you think you know to be able to truly understand. Even just setting it aside for awhile will do. Accumlated knowledge and ingnorance can both be set aside for the purpose of more subtle exploration and understanding. They can always be picked back up again if deemed necessary. If you remain so rigidly sure that what you know is what is true, you do not avail yourself of finer and subtler understanding. My comment that you asked to have explained more clearly, clearly stands on it's own and really needs no further explanation, only exploration. I'm not just being critical or trying to offend, it's just that the dialogue cannot really progress when instead of a discussion based in the spirit of exploration and a meeting of the minds, it merely reflects reactions based upon what you believe to be true. Because of that, I was just going to leave it, and not respond your fantasy warfare style of discoursing, but as Sandeep did put in the energy to try to clarify, it seemed the least I could do to speak my mind. :O) You don't see it(yet) but your responses show clearly why I would not buy a book about Consciousness from a dream character who doesn't really understand the dream or Consciousness. No offense intended.
