Re "And that's probably why Derek challenged it -- since even if a Raskolnikov never existed -- the story about him might be considered important because something about his psychology is felt to be very real."
Yes exactly. It's arguable in fact that our everyday experiences are so chaotic - so formless and lacking in consistency - that, while they may be real enough in terms of their consequences (they affect what we actually do), they never possess the kind of clarity and apprehensibility they achieve in a work of art. So in a sense they only become real i.e. distinct and fully described - in a work of art. So, claiming that all art depends on fiction (and it is a common enough claim eg one well known contemporary aesthetician, whose name I have temporarily forgotten, argues that all art depends on 'make believe') seems a fairly superficial observation to me. What in the end is 'real' in the realm of human experience? What we encounter in everyday life? Or the form it takes in art? -- Derek Allan http://www.home.netspeed.com.au/derek.allan/default.htm On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Chris Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brady's notion of "fictional" would seem to be awkwardly replaceable by a > phrase like "not relevant to reality claims" -- as a sports broadcast > would > be("did he really catch the ball inbounds?" -- "did the Niners really > win?") > > And that's probably why Derek challenged it -- since even if a Raskolnikov > never existed -- the story about him might be considered important because > something about his psychology is felt to be very real. > > Which also might account for Derek's additional challenge: > "I am trying to pretend this discussion of sport on a philosophy of art > list > is not happening." > > And I also feel that there's something dreadful about emphasizing the > similarity between great moments in sports with the performances of > Shakespeare. > > I suppose there's no doubting that Cheerskep feels like he has an AE with > both > of them -- but unless we can determine some special quality about that > Shakespeare AE -- well, what's the point of telling kids to study great > literature --- when any jackass can go to the ballpark and have a great > time? > _____________________________________________________________ > Click to get a free auto insurance quotes from top companies. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmNj8KEugM29E9wmEKphl5A8 > 6jZnxH47rOQIDv1WUjDC3JrO/?count=1234567890<http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.ne t/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmNj8KEugM29E9wmEKphl5A86jZnxH47rOQIDv1WUjDC3JrO/?count=12 34567890> > > <http://www.home.netspeed.com.au/derek.allan/default.htm>
