Yes, well, I can't seem to find the post I was originanlly replying to but it was one talking about art being a source of 'satisfaction'. Your talk about 'the primary, motivation in a creator is the "passion and satisfaction" that comes during, and from, the act of creating' etc puts a slightly different gloss on things.
My point remains. One often reads/hears people talking about art giving them 'satisfaction' or being 'satisfying'. I think trivializes the function of art. I think the same about the idea that art is merely a source of 'pleasure' (or 'aesthetic pleasure' ). I'm sorry if thinking this makes me an 'unrewarding' to discuss things with, Cheerskep. But it is my opinion. I can't change it just so some people will find me more rewarding. DA ----------------------------------- On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:39 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Derek, two of the reasons you're so unrewarding to discuss things with are > your inability to grasp the point of what the other fellow is saying, and your > irrepressible impulse to say nay. > > Look again at what I wrote. Try to see I was focusing on why the CREATOR does > what he does, and on his feeling as he does it. Yes, there is a second > satisfaction that can come to him from realizing he has afforded people what > you > have called a "response to art". And I myself don't feel that's a silly, > valueless effect that trivializes any artist who takes satisfaction if he does > it. > > But, believe it, the first satisfaction comes during the creating, from the > creating, when you believe you have "nailed" it. > > You can't even wrap your mind around what YOU are saying. The logic of your > use of Van Gogh is so deranged it's breathtaking. You believe you have made a > rebutting thrust by citing him as a reduction ad absurdum example, because you > apparently think what I wrote implies I must foolishly believe Van Gogh "went > through years of non-recognition and poverty just so some Sunday afternoon > aesthete could feel a delicate pulse of 'aesthetic pleasure' and feel > 'satisfied'." > > You don't see that the example of Van Gogh doesn't refute my point, instead > it is marvelously consonant with my point? He NEVER had the experience of > knowing he had occasioned an a.e. in a "Sunday afternoon aesthete", he never > sold a > painting in his life, so why would I think that was what moved him to go on > for years doing what he did? Exactly my point is that the first, the primary, > motivation in a creator is the "passion and satisfaction" that comes during, > and from, the act of creating. > > Samuel Johnson wrote, "No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money." > Again, a true "non-artist" talking about an activity he had no personal > experience with at all. > > > > In a message dated 6/4/08 4:15:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> Interesting. But do we really think artists like Van Gogh, Monet, >> Cezanne and so many others went through years of non-recognition or >> poverty or both just so some Sunday afternoon aesthete could feel a >> delicate pulse of 'aesthetic pleasure' and feel 'satisfied'. >> >> Yuk! >> >> DA >> >> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:08 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > In a message dated 6/4/08 3:00:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> > >> > >> >> I think the idea that art 'satisfies' is silly anyway. It is linked to >> >> the idea that art exists merely to be a source of 'pleasure'. Who but >> >> the stereotype 'aesthete' thinks that any longer? >> >> >> > Spoken like a true "non-artist", someone who has never had the experience >> of >> > creating the kinds of works most of us are devoted to. >> > >> > Critics, sociologists, moralists, leaders of "movements" -- they all > would >> > tell creators what they "ought" to be doing, what their "purpose" should >> be, >> > what their "function" is. Luckily, worthy creative passion and >> satisfaction is >> > deaf to all that. >> > > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& > NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > -- Derek Allan http://www.home.netspeed.com.au/derek.allan/default.htm
