I wasn't wanting to suggest that all artists must suffer, or that
suffering will always win out in the end.

I have no doubt many talents get lost along the way - and that success
shines on many that don't deserve it.

My point related to the seriousness of art as an activity  - the fact
that the aim of art is not just to 'please' or 'satisfy' (like a good
wine or something).

DA
> Yeah, OK, that's right.  I think I often go to
> automatic when you're talking, Derek.  Sort of what
> you do too.  Like Montaigne, I think we might come to
> the same end by different means.
>
> Serious artists don't pander to any audiences at the
> expense of their art.  However, doing exactly that,
> pandering, is the name of the game in art schools
> today.  Every student wants to "make it" through
> networking because no independent qualitative
> stansdards exist anymore.
>
> For serious artists the work is a lifetime commitment
> even if there's no reward.  And what reward is
> sufficient anyway?  No artist ever quit because he or
> she was too successful or too highly ranked, or too
> famous, although more than a few thought they must be
> doing something wrong when their careers took off.
> I've know many, many artists who quit and some of them
> were hugely talented.  I used to say that the
> successful artists were not always the best but simply
> the ones who didn't quit.  There are enormous social
> pressures against being an artist.  It usually takes
> about 10 to 15 years for an artist to get anything of
> a serious artworld career and that's with an abundance
> of good fortune.  Mostly those years are at the most
> crucial social stage of one's life ... 20s to mid 30s
> when many obligations and needs come into play, mainly
> families and living costs, etc.  Few get through that
> period.  Even with success, few artists earn enough
> from their work in today's urban environments.  Say an
> artist grosses $400,000. a year.  Subtract all the
> commissions and costs and not much is left, not even a
> beginning MBA salary.  And only the most select gross
> $400,000 and it may only happen for a few years
> because the commercial-theory laden artworld must have
> something new and someone new every year or two.
>
> I think most if not all artists do need some support
> person or group because people are social and because
> art is social.  It might be just one person, or
> several at different times. Maybe some support is
> partially imaginary. Some is material, like a day job,
> or a trust fund.
>
> Just to tie this in to our discussions, all of the
> material concerns, the real life concerns re art and
> artists need to be a part of any aesthetics theory.
>
>
> WC
>
>



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Derek Allan
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