-William wrote : Cheerskep is our trained philosopher here. With all due respect I have some doubt about your expression of b trained philosopherb b& I guess a T.Ph. would probably have looked into neurodynamics and neurophenomenology and came up with the something less fuzzy than b a millisecondb . Maybe something like what Hameroff believes:
b Neural correlates of conscious perception apparently occur too lateb150 to 500 milliseconds (msec) after impingement on our sense organsbto have causal efficacy in seemingly conscious perceptions and willful actions, often initiated or completed within 100 msec after sensory impingement. For example in the color phi and cutaneous rabbit anomalies, the brain apparently fills in conscious sensory information that is not yet available (Kolers & Grunau 1976, Geldard & Sherrick 1972, c.f. Dennett & Kinsbourne 1992). Preparation of speech can precede conscious identification of heard words to which one is responding (Velmans 1991, Van Petten et al 1999). And in tennis, specific movements to return a fast-moving ball precede conscious identification of ball location and trajectory (McCrone 1999, Gray 2004). Nonetheless, subjectively (i.e. we feel as though) we consciously perceive and respond to these perceptions (e.g. Velmans 1991, Gray 2004, Koch 2004). b I am not sure a trained philosopher would have stated: b it is true (!!!) that babies are born with reactions. Frankly, it does not make much sense for any philosopher. And the inner screen... This is an open door to a discussion about mental states and mental imagery and the existence of a homunculus who would run the theater b so the infinite regress. Our b trained philosopherb has not answered my questions. But, hey, why the hell would he, after 35 years of philosophy and 19 of neurosciences, I am still not b trainedb b sounds too pavlovian! Best Luc
