Remember, I'm the guy who claims that all thinking is grounded in beliefs, or 
make-believe.
  
Miller wrongly equates scientific inquiry with appeals to authority.  Actually 
the two are polar opposites.  The scientific method is aimed at making the 
appeal to authority unnecessary or redundant.  This was a chief concept of the 
Enlightenment and led to many breakthroughs, and some downfalls.  For instance, 
by opposing the simple appeal to authority, and replacing it with logic and 
observation, Enlightenment thinkers began to reject religious teachings;  it 
led to the strict separation of mind and body and to a strict separation of 
reason from imagination (and a hardening of the medieval-to-Inquisition notion 
that imagination was the work of Satin and therefore irrational and evil).  We 
still live in the shadows of that attitude and that's why "reasoning" is 
commonly regarded as proper, realistic, unemotional (and manly) and imagination 
is regarded as inappropriate, fanciful, emotional (and womanly).  The 
Enlightenment was a mixed bag and we are its
 products in many ways.

  When I refer to "experts" by name, and by mentioning their works, I am only 
saying that they are my sources and listers can turn to them to follow their 
logic, experiments, reasoning -- and imagination.  In referencing others, I 
avoid the trap of solipsism. I am not making an appeal to authority as such, 
claiming that they their findings are infallible, but instead I'm urging 
listers to go to them and see for themselves.  My references to neurologists, 
the ones whose most accessible work anyone can read, are centered on the 
re-connection of reason and feeling, the rational and irrational, the logical 
and the inventive, etc.  Why?  because I've concluded through my own eclectic 
studies that our brains and the thoughts they produce require belief as the 
first and ongoing cognitive function.  And this is not original. It goes back 
to Aristotle, for whom it was a kind of fueling desire.

WC  



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From: Chris Miller <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:21:58 AM
Subject: Re: Rational Discussion and aesthetic quality

I've carried  the discussion about "dead photos- alive paintings" over to this
thread because, as William and I have agreed, " that topic remains a matter of
perception, which can be  the foundation for facts and logic, but cannot be
established by them."

Aesthetics must allow for different perceptions, which sets it  apart from all
the scientific disciplines that demand consensus as proven by fact and logic
and ultimately confirmed by authority.

When an  artifact is discovered in the dirt beneath Jerusalem, an
investigative  process is begun to autheticate its date. And if authorities
within the academic  community accept it as genuine, it can be then be used to
establish facts that must be logically accounted for within the narrative of
ancient history.

Since scientific inquiry is the dominant intellectual activity of our time,
there is great pressure to practice aesthetics the same way.

William is  the most enthusiastic advocate of that approach on our list,  with
continual appeals to authority, especially within neuroscience.

A  statement about "dead photos- alive paintings"  (or good paintings - bad
paintings) cannot contribute to any scientific discourse -- and yet it may be
quite useful to those who share, or want to share,  the perceptions on which
it is based.

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