Emotion is a very large consideration in aesthetic judgement ,to me.
mando

On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Chris Miller wrote:

What do the rest of you think of William's manifesto?

Do you all agree that "the demands of intellectual rigor are essentially
limited to logic."  ?

What kind of "facts based on observation and measurement" can be established
regarding paintings, poetry, musical performances and such?

Is  the beauty of a drawing or melody one such fact?

This is a fine opportunity for you lurkers out there to de-cloak and address
some basic questions about aesthetics.


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I hate carrying on with my disagreements with Miller. But my great failing
is
to be drawn to the fire as a moth to the flame.

Aesthetics is a field of inquiry in philosophy and the philosophy of art. It has a tradition and a body of literature. It is discussed for the sake of finding common ground on particular questions. If Miller wants to redefine
the
field so narrowly that there is absolutely nothing to discuss except to pass around unexamined personal opinions then he is opting for a mode of discourse that could be exercised with grunts and not words. I find it humorous that
he
makes a universal claim for something that he insists is totally individual.
How can "all people" be obliged to do something that he insists is the
prerogative of each person's perception?

Agreement on intellectual views is not conformity in the usual sense because conformity implies agreement in the absence of inquiry, as, for example, when people conform to laws they neither question nor think about but simply
enfold
into their behavior. I think the proper word would be consensus, which
implies
that agreement is obtained among a group while individual differences are
respected.

The demands of intellectual rigor are essentially limited to logic. Logic is essential to reaching an objective view of anything, whether or not the
content
of the argument is true or false.  Then facts based on observation and
measurement are examined for their truth or falsity and in this area there is
room for contentious dissent.  Some facts may be wrongly observed or
measured,
some may irrelevant, some may be unknown or change in the course of being observed or measured. Contrary to Miller's comment, scientific facts are not established by authority but by observation and experiment. The scientific method provides a check on authority. Nothing is settled in science simply because of authority. We've all heard of scientists' "new discoveries" in science that are not accepted because the experiments and observations that
led
to them cannot de duplicated by others, Again, that's a check on authority,
no
matter who it is.  Again, facts do not
rest on authority in our scientific era. In the past, facts did rest solely
on
authority and power.

Granted that aesthetics is not science, not yet, and granted that opinion and personal experience plays a huge role in aesthetic judgment, so far as we
know
from comparison to other types of experience. But in aesthetic discourse, elementary logic is still required to enable people to follow arguments and attention to what others have said on the aesthetic topic at hand is prudent.

So far, Miller has never been able to tell us what his aesthetic subjectivity is. He is only interested in negating what others have offered, finally finding unassailable refuge in his requirement that all aesthetic judgment is individual, and therefore non-communicable at all. If you say you have a
treasure hidden in your closet but no one can see it and you refuse to
describe
it or to enable others to value it in any way how do you "prove" that you
have
the treasure at all? Ironically, unknowingly, Miller is taking a postmodern
position, that art is anything at all, maybe even nothing.  Lots of
contemporary "art" aims to question whether or not art can exist, not only in historical terms regarding quality and object-hood, but in experiential
terms,
both individually and socially. It's sort of like the god question. If god
exists, the option that he does not exist is necessary.



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