I think that if it applies to color, It would naturally apply to
sounds.What
would be the difference in perception evaluation? It also goes to the
mind.
Color is also text free.
mando

On Oct 25, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Chris Miller wrote:

Kivy is quite happy to leave all the works of text-free music  out
of any
discussion of subject and content, but he still wants to call them
works of
"fine art" --  so he allows that issues of "meaning, message, or
sense" do not
necessarily have to be raised for everything  that is called 'art'.

But he does not apply this assertion to any of the other arts --
indeed, he
allows that there may be many "philosophies of arts" (hence, the
title of his
book) and he does not write much about  the others.

What I find intriguing is Kivy's demand that expository prose (like
that
exhibited by philosophy) be the model for subject and content in
all the other
arts.

Because, just as he cannot find a subject for Beethoven's Fifth
Symphony, I
cannot find a subject for Shakespeare's Hamlet.  That is, I'd be
happy to
propose one, but quite aware that it's an issue open to much more
debate than,
say, the subject of a technical paper about the properties of
certain organic
compounds.  (BTW - C.S. Lewis wrote that the subject of Hamlet was
death -
that the "Awareness of the ambiguity of what transpires during
death pervades
Hamletbs thought throughout the play"  Really?  I'm more inclined
to say
that the subject is adulthood (Hamlet never achieves it), but I've
got allow
that the topic is as disputable as any statement about content)

While, the possible subject matters for  Kandinsky's "Composition
Number 8"
are so many -- and the rationale for each possibility is so weak --
there's no
point to even having a debate.

So, I think we must acknowledge that much more that just text-free
music
should be considered subject free, even as we allow that subject
can sometimes
be very important.

Even if this does leave the importance of many works unprotected by
any
argument other than personal or institutional approval.




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