When one is done with masterpiece like this, there is no place for 'abandon',
frustration, putting aside or fighting it. I would change nothing.
Boris Shoshensky

---------- Original Message ----------
From: armando baeza <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: manet
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:47:31 -0800

My impression of being abandon,comes from my own experience of
frustration ,when I loose the design on what I'm doing. Putting it aside
for future work on it ,with a fresh mind is better than fighting it.

mando

On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Boris Shoshensky wrote:

>> That painting seems like an abandon painting that was never finished.
>
> I don't have this impression.
> Boris Shoshensky
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: armando baeza <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: manet
> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:05:23 -0800
>
> That painting seems like an abandon painting that was never finished.
> It looks like it started as still life painting of two tables with
> liquor and glass
> ware,great detail on the persimmons. Then he started to add the
> center figure
> which had too much detail for a still life quality, then started to
> add those two
> figures that would occupy the same standing area and never resolve it.
> The yellow stripe indicates  something  (?). I think the right hand
> on the woman
> on the right became the last straw, and he stopped.
>
> Today photo realism is the thing, though i dislike that it's sold as
> paintings.
> I don't think I could feel comfortable doing that.
> mando
>
> On Nov 1, 2009, at 8:19 AM, Chris Miller wrote:
>
>>> A painting is not a singularity - but an overlay of differing
>>> systems and
>> concerns ... the painting is only reducible to itself
>> - because that is where all the parts are assembled" (Saul)
>>
>> No argument from any of us about that.
>>
>> But you did begin  your essay on Manet by unequivocally placing one
>> concern
>> above another:
>>
>> "Manet's last painting 'Bar at the Folies Berghres', which seems at
>> first
>> sight to be a reflective study of an observer of the main action,
>> turns out to
>> be a paean to visual space."
>>
>> Perhaps it was written too quickly.
>>
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