Sorry Chris.
Manet, as great as he was. lost it on this design. I think he was not
satisfied with this one, yet i love the overall feeling.
mando

On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Chris Miller wrote:

Sorry, but this line of thought is above my intellectual capacity of
comprehension. (Boris Shoshensky)

That was it's intention.


But it's only only a commonplace to note that " when certain cues are present
in a image they (i.e. all viewers) fill
in the missing information"

While  Saul's response does not  address the recognition of a "central
organizing effect" --- which some viewers (like you, I, and Duve) find in 'The Bar at the Folies Bergere" , others (like Mando) apparently do not, and still others (like Saul and William) may find, but consider that issue to be highly subjective, and just one discourse among many that may be conducted
concerning any painting.




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Sorry, but this line of thought is above my intellectual capacity of
comprehension.
Boris Shoshensky


From: Saul Ostrow <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Cc: William Conger <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: manet
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:56:13 -0500

Someone's expectation that when certain cues are present in a image they fill in the missing information - consequently we see in the case of Manet's painting perspective where there is single organizing principle - that as
Mando suggests the painting was painted at different times with some
disregard
for what came before - similar to what he had done in Luncheon on the Grass


On 11/3/09 10:40 AM, "Boris Shoshensky" <[email protected]> wrote:

What lies and in which habits?
Boris Shoshensky

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Saul Ostrow <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Cc: William Conger <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: manet
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:17:04 -0500

And does this lie in the habits of the viewer in the case of Manet


On 11/2/09 1:16 PM, "Boris Shoshensky" <[email protected]> wrote:

"Actually I thought what I had sent along supported Williams observation - by
demonstrating the fact that the space of the painting has no central
organizing principle and that each section or sector has its own logic"

That each section or sector has its own logic doesn't prevent composition to have 'bridges' that create central organizing effect, without which painting
would fall apart.
Boris Shoshensky




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