Dogmatism and oppurtunism is what killed Marxism as a political movement - while self criticality has preserved it as an intellectual force
Sent from my iPhone 646 528 8537 On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:33 PM, "Saul Ostrow" <[email protected]> wrote: > Part of my point is that unless you abandon your jargon and > critically > address and articulate for yourself and others the failings of your > system - > the emergent subject that is being sought will forever remain > suppressed - > seemingly for the time being this holds true for art, aesthetics and > the > evolution of being > > > On 3/16/10 4:22 PM, "Frances Kelly" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Saul... > If it may be correct that naturalist pragmatism or idealist > realism now fail as "general" accounts of the world, then the > search likely continues for some other alternate theory, but just > exactly what that might be remains unclear to me; however all > suggestions are welcome. > --FCK > > - Theistic o ism - jrgon and a b 19th century pragmatic inductive > rationalism- your trapped in words- you call it realist- and by > that you are held to 19th century concepts - this is what becomes > of them disciple > > Frances wrote... >> Frances to Saul and others... >> The antirealist alternative to globally account for what may >> be felt or sensed or known by humans as being in the world is >> some kind of subjective mentalism, like notionalism or > nominalism >> or rationalism, which is unacceptable to realists. >> The common sense hypothesis of external existence is a good >> guess, derived from individual observations of inner feelings >> about the seeming haze given of phenomenal stuff, which >> subjective observations are then put to objective expressions, > so >> that other normal experts who are similarly inclined will by a >> consensus of their agreed opinion tentatively determine what is >> real and true. Since the individual observer is unreliable, it >> falls to the community of observers to control conformity by >> analyzing their expressed propositions. What collective > thinkers >> have found to date is that mathematics and logics, and >> synechastics or the evolving phenomenal categories, are ideal >> objective things that exist independent of human feelings or >> knowings, and that furthermore the laws of nature and the laws > of >> science are also found to be objective phenomenal constructs. >> These expert findings of course would be conditionally > contingent >> and provisionally probable. Under the philosophy of realist >> pragmatism this is a situation of objective relativism, where > the >> human is brought into an indirect relation with the objective >> phenomena they subjectively feel might exist, and not into a >> relation with their own inner psyche about the haze of seeming >> phenomenal stuff that is given uncontrolled to them. The >> mathematics and logics and laws of nature or science found to >> exist by humans are not arbitrary inventions. The agents of > this >> design are the dispositional tendencies of stuff to evolve in > the >> best direction possible, which is generally fated towards a > good >> end goal. >> >> Saul wrote... >> As revealed or hypothesized by human beings - whomergent >> world se knowledge of the world is emergent - consequently >> man-made laws are merely propositions and cannot be held to be >> true - in other words they are either merely symbolic or mythic >> or in some cases delusional. >> >> Frances wrote... >> My understanding of realist pragmatism on this issue of what >> continues or exists in the world before signs is that phenomena >> does, and as categorically structured with monadic qualities > and >> dyadic facts and triadic laws. > > > > --
