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Well. I guess it's worked for them for almost 150 years. You
don't hear of Central Pacific any longer.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
Out West, originally the railroads were given half the
land for about 6 miles on either side of the track. Every
other section. Checkerboard pattern. The pattern is still
there, just now it is BLM vs private land.
The socialist in me says them thar railroads belong to
the people.
UPRR has never cooperated with anyone. 50 years ago, Art
Brothers tried to get them to let him use their power line
(top two wires on a bracket circuit) to convey some analog
telephone mux signal.
Just needed to run the signal a couple of miles so a
power substation could have a phone. Nope.
Life safety issue. Nope
I’ll give your guys a phone. Nope
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So much for that...
They do have a ton of different types of
links, but not for a ton of different purposes. Their
links serve two purposes. PTC, and sensor relay back to
the main control hub in Omaha. Fundamentally they both are
to insure safety of cargo,train, and public.
On the subject of being picky about property they
own. You have an interesting point of view. They are a
public company with shareholders. As long as they
aren't breaking any laws, I am not sure why you have
an issue with them. The management is running a
railroad, not a tower company, they are laser focused
on making that RR operation safer and more profitable.
If you approached a landowner to build a tower on
their property and they said no, would you think they
were assholes? If the landowner had a ham radio tower
and he didn't want you on it, regardless if you felt
the reasoning was valid, does that make him an
asshole?
Robert, I get it. It is frustrating to see those
beautiful, almost empty, huge SS towers right where
you need them placed smack in the middle of population
centers everywhere. I tried to get on them nearly 20
years ago and got the same story. I crawled all the
way up the chain of command to the director of
communications and he gave me a polite and detailed
"NO". It was still a no. But in the end, they own
them, and they don't let anyone on them. I don't think
they are singling you out. They just don't want any
non licensed gear on their tower in case they want to
use those freq's one day. They aren't hot on licensed
gear either really, because they don't want the extra
hassle.
Again, the reasoning may not be valid to you or I,
but in the end, the property is theirs and they can do
what they want with it. Ahhh, but so much property. If i
remember right, I think they may have said they own more
property in the US than any other landowner. I couldn't
verify that as most of the info out there seemed to
focus on individual landowners. Maybe that was
historically accurate but not so now, who knows. I do
know they own a ton of land and tens of thousands of
towers. It is a shame they won't let anyone on them.
UP
has a bunch of different purpose radio links out here,
for much more
than just PTC. We have a few towers of theirs near
town. They watch
them like hawks for unauthorized visitors.. Some of
them have great
siting that many would like access to for building
towers... Don't
bother asking...
On 9/28/18 5:53 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> Well, that is pretty opaque. But I will mention
that if you're talking
> about UP, their radio system is for positive train
control. You have to
> do no more than watch the news to realize how
important it is. Maybe
> that isn't what you are taking about.
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 6:29 PM Robert <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>
> And at the same time utterly cutthroat.. Old
school biz and not one
> bit dedicated in staying that way other than
the good biz parts.. Do
> not go _near_ their radio stuff without
permission...
>
> On 9/28/18 1:54 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > Oh and by the way, my short experience
taught me a great deal
> about UPR.
> > What I learned is that they are a
fantastic company in all respects.
> > Everyone I dealt with was knowledgeable,
very competent, and just
> really
> > great to work with. I have no doubt if
they have the will to
> succeed as
> > a WISP they would. They may have decided
they don't have the will.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:51 PM Lewis
Bergman
> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
> >
> > I have insight I cannot divulge due
to an NDA. I think it is
> safe to
> > say they were using more than 3.65.
Being UPR it wouldn't be a
> > violation to state that they have a
deep corporate culture since
> > they are an enormous company.
> >
> > This is purely speculation, but it
may be that they successfully
> > determined what they wanted to know.
So in that respect, if it is
> > true they are shutting down, they may
have decided that the
> > miniscule profit turned by even a
wildly successful WISP is a
> > fraction of a drop in the bucket in
comparison to the kind of
> money
> > they make in a month. If you have
ever looked at their SEC
> filings
> > you know what I mean. In the end, it
may have served as more of a
> > distraction than anything else. All
of that is purely
> speculation as
> > I was only involved in the pre
deployment stage.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM
Cameron Crum
> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
> >
> > They sure did have grand plans,
but I think their
> approach was a
> > little too corporate based on the
RFQ I saw a year and a
> half ago.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:26 AM
Jon Langeler
> > <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > It’s probably an over the air
data rate advertised on
> the box.
> >
> > Jon Langeler
> > Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> >
> >
> > On Sep 28, 2018, at 10:18 AM,
Ken Hohhof
> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
> >
> >> Strange, I never heard of
them before.____
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> “The company’s service
cost between $50 and $90 for
> >> download speeds of up to
58 Mbps, using spectrum in the
> >> licensed 3650-3700 MHz
range.”____
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> 58 Mbps is a lot in a
band with a total of 50 MHz and
> >> where channel size is
typically 10 MHz. It’s also a
> >> strangely specific
speed.____
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>
> >> <mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>>
*On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> >> *Sent:* Friday, September
28, 2018 7:51 AM
> >> *To:* AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group
> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> >> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
> >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] So
much for that...____
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >>
> https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/breeze-broadband-to-discontinue-fixed-wireless-internet-service____
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >>
> >>
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