With no metal ores.. I read somewhere about a miner getting killed by a surface lightning strike...

Robert

On 10/15/2018 01:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
A cave.
*From:* can...@believewireless.net
*Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2018 2:16 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator
Then someone needs to make better surge protection!
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 4:14 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

    “Caution: no surge protector can protect against a direct lightning
    strike.”____

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    http://www.connectronics.com/48VDC%20Power%20Protection/____

    ____

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    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
    *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2018 12:05 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator____

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    *nods* That's why I'm all about DC and SFP...  you can be much more
    aggressive on DC power protection because you don't have to worry
    about data errors.

    Are there self-resettable suppressors that are able to stop
    anything? Seems like a good addition to a DC-fed expensive radio.____



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    <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>____

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    *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
    *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
    *Sent: *Monday, October 15, 2018 12:01:30 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator____

    I think I’ve only had 2 licensed radios zapped (same event), and
    when I had them repaired, it was the power supply section that took
    the damage.  So even with optical data and DC power, I’d say a
lightning protector on the power input at the radio is recommended. The good news is there are less constraints building a good DC power
    protector because you don’t have to worry about affecting the
    Ethernet data.  Just a gas tube and some husky MOVs or something
    along those lines.  Probably the only good thing from my Purewave
    adventure is they told me they had basestations getting fried by
    lightning until they started telling customers to install a DC
    protector and that solved the issue.____

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    *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
    *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2018 10:10 AM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator____

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    SFPs and DC!  ;-)____



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    <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>____

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    *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
    *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
    *Sent: *Tuesday, October 9, 2018 5:23:50 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator____

    I learned the hard way that having a complete spare link on the
    shelf isn’t necessarily good enough, since a lightning strike at a
    tower is likely to take out several HIGH or several LOW radios, not
    one HIGH and one LOW.____

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    *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
    *Sent:* Tuesday, October 9, 2018 5:09 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator____

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    624mbps in a 80MHz channel, ACM, copper gigabit port. The DT version
    is a little over twice that for double the throughput and dual SFP
    slots.____

    ____

    I used to be able to get a SIAE ALFOplus link for the same price as
    the ST, now it's closer to $7k - and you need a full set to spare
    it. The Bridgewave has user replaceable / reversable diplexers,
    which is huge IMO. ____


    On Tuesday, October 9, 2018, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:____

        Mind sharing the specs (throughput, channel size, etc) of the ST
        model for a super lazy person like myself?____

        ____

        On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:27 PM Jason McKemie
        <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:____

            I just got a quote yesterday, the ST model was around d $4k
            a link with full licenses. The DT model was about twice that.

            On Tuesday, October 9, 2018, Rory Conaway
            <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:____

                Yea, no.   I’m not sure if I can release pricing but
                figure somewhere around $10-$12k with antennas depending
                on options.  If you double up the radios, even more.____

                ____

                Rory____

                ____

                *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
                *Josh Baird
                *Sent:* Tuesday, October 9, 2018 1:54 PM
                *To:* AFMUG
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator____

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                ~$4k was the price that I heard originally.____

                ____

                On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 4:28 PM Rory Conaway
                <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:____

                    I have 2 of the units.  They second antenna showed
                    up today so they are going up on Monday.____

                    ____

                    Depends on what you think the price is.____

                    ____

                    Rory____

                    ____

                    *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On
                    Behalf Of *Josh Baird
                    *Sent:* Tuesday, October 9, 2018 1:17 PM
                    *To:* AFMUG
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator____

                    ____

                    I heard that some people have beta units.. I have
                    also heard the price is NOT what everyone thought it
                    would be.____

                    ____

                    On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:32 PM Joe Novak
                    <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:____

                        Everyone was talking about it at the Spring
                        show. ____

                        ____

                        If it's not actually in the wild yet I start to
                        question it's existence. ____

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                        ____

                        Joe____

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                        On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:23 PM Jason McKemie
                        <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:____

                            I'm not sure if there are any out in the
                            wild as of yet. ____

                            If so, is anyone using these?  Thoughts?____

                            ____

                            The features look good, and pricing is
                            pretty aggressive.____

                            ____

                            -Jason____

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