You don't see a problem competing against it? Isn't it going to be end user/last mile service?

On 11/15/18 5:16 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
It would be a big mess for a short time but these are really low so it would de-orbit quickly.  I'm really interested in what this would do for building a decentralized WISP/MDU ISP.  If I get PTP Gig or 10Gig from anywhere to anywhere it would make building/expanding an ISP a whole lot easier.

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 4:36 PM Robert Andrews <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Starlink makes me think of a "Gravity" situation..   If you got a
    collision in that constellation seems you would put up a "shield" of
    space junk...   Or are my orbital mechanics shorts showing?

    On 11/14/2018 11:32 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
     > Speaking of Iridium. That was only 77 satellites; at least in the
     > original version. How about something like 4400(+) satellites for
     > Starlink? Now that looks "scary".
     >
     >      (warning, we are getting into thread drift)
     >
     > How it will work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEIUdMiColU
     >
     > bp
     > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
     >
     > On 11/14/2018 11:04 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    wrote:
>> How about iridium control.  Or geo sync data link. Inmarsat. Antenna
     >> would be looking up.  Harder to jam.
     >> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
     >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2018 12:00 PM
     >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
     >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Product...
     >>
     >> Now with drones coming our with LTE control… whats the plan?
     >>
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     >>
     >> *From: *AF <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of
     >> "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>"
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >> *Date: *Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 2:50 PM
     >> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Scary Product...
     >>
     >> So I ended up at their booth today.
     >>
     >> The drone detector is kinda cool, might actually be useful for
     >> interference hunting, but probably way expensive.  They're doing
     >> various things with directional antennas operating in a 'radar'
    type
     >> of setup where they use various tight pattern antennas either on an
     >> automatic rotator, or handheld to determine the direction a
    signal is
     >> coming from.   Nothing really special except the integration is
    pretty
     >> well done....
     >>
     >> On the other hand, the jammers get even more scary.   Yes, they
    will
     >> only sell them to legitimate users, i.e. miliatary and/or legal
     >> government users.   So probably have little risk of one showing
    up in
     >> most of our markets, except for of course the fact that the
    military
     >> probably already has similar technology.   They've got one which
    puts
     >> 20W each band per sector into 4 sectors to get 360* of blocking.
     >> They've also got one which has a pistol grip attached to a
    directional
     >> antenna and somewhat lower output power.
     >>
     >> Interesting product, not sure how many of these they're going to
    sell,
     >> although I guess if you got even a small military to buy multiple
     >> copies it would probably pay for development.   But I sure wouldn't
     >> want one of these turned on in my neighborhood.
     >>
     >> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 2:02 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
     >>
     >>     If you are a smart bad actor,  you will be using bands that are
     >>     not commonly used.
     >>
     >>     *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)
     >>
     >>     *Sent:*Tuesday, November 13, 2018 5:05 PM
     >>
     >>     *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
     >>
     >>     *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Scary Product...
     >>
     >>     I think there are some probably at least somewhat real concerns
     >>     about either bad actors using a Drone for surveillance, or
     >>     alternatively there are cases where you need the airspace
    clear.
     >>     This should handle both issues, but I'm not sure if either is
     >>     worth wiping  the ism bands for a not small radius.
     >>
     >>     They also supposedly have drone detection gear.
     >>
     >>     On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 12:55 AM Matt Hoppes
     >>     <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
     >>
     >>         The webpage isn’t loading, but I’m not sure what this is
     >>         supposed to accomplish. Any UAV worth it’s weight in
    salt will
     >>         return home if it loses connection.
     >>
     >>
     >>         On Nov 13, 2018, at 18:31, <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >>         wrote:
     >>
     >>             Yeah, 150 watts at 2.4 GHz would be like being near
    a 150
     >>             watt incandescent light bulb.
     >>
     >>             You would certainly feel it.  Might even give you
     >>             permanent cornea damage.
     >>
     >>             *From:*Ken Hohhof
     >>
     >>             *Sent:*Tuesday, November 13, 2018 4:16 PM
     >>
     >>             *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
     >>
     >>             *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Scary Product...
     >>
     >>             A “backpack” jammer with 120 watts output power? I hope
     >>             they mean backpack size, not that someone would
    literally
     >>             wear that on their back while it was transmitting.
     >>             Oooooooh, suddenly I feel all warm and tingly!
     >>
     >>             *From:*AF <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Forrest
     >>             Christian (List Account)
     >>             *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2018 5:11 PM
     >>             *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >>             *Subject:* [AFMUG] Scary Product...
     >>
     >>             I'm at a trade show this week (attending, not
    exhibiting),
     >>             and one of the exhibitors is selling this:
     >>
     >> http://www.aaronia.com/Datasheets/Documents/Portable-UAV-Jammer.pdf
     >>
     >>             Anyone want to venture a guess how long it will be
    before
     >>             one of these (or some similar product) shows up in the
     >>             middle of someone's network?
     >>
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