I so beg to differ!!! You take a _very_ high performance Police engine
and put in the 4 gallons of gas to get a normal 50 mile range and then
go start driving it at max performance and it will go to 4 MPG so fast
your head will spin. I drive a power wagon to get to mountain tops and
it regularly goes from 100 miles range to 30 miles when I go offroad.
The FIRST think I do when I need to do a serious day is make sure it is
FULL. It would be actually easier if I was able to leave it on the
charger every night and know that I started out _every_ day with 500
miles on the estimated range. Knowing that if I went to an offroad
site I would actually only get 200 miles with heavy load ( and would
actually be adding to the range going back downhill. You _aren't_
going to get stuck at the TOP of a hill with an EV..
On 11/30/2019 07:34 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
There is no instance where simple increase in speed will take you from
50 miles range to 8 in a gas vehicle. Even heavy braking and hard
acceleration. Maybe an 8 mile burn out would consume 50 miles worth of
fuel, but then that's not a simple increase in speed.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 9:22 AM Darin Steffl <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Matt,
I don't believe you've ever actually given any attention to your gas
vehicle while driving it. Look at your mpg during normal driving
with no load and temps about 65. Then check mpg when it's below 30,
then again when you have a trailer attached, then again by
pretending you're in a police chase and accelerating heavily.
Your mpg will change at nearly equal percentage to electric vehicles.
Don't knock it until you try it. I've got 35,000 miles on my Tesla
so far and made it through a Minnesota winter already and just going
into our second winter. I've learned a lot but at the end of the
day, I've never ran out of juice and my car is no less efficient
than a gas car in the same driving conditions.
You've obviously never heard of all the police chases where their
gas vehicles run out of gas during a chase either. It happens all
the time actually, it just doesn't make the news because it's not a
Tesla. I've talked with state troopers and our sheriff's department
and they all have stories of cars running out of gas during
highspeed chases because they're putting way more load on their cars.
So instead of being a hater just because you can, why don't you
schedule a test drive of a Tesla or other EV's and you can learn
something. I'll say it again, EV's today work for 99% of drivers in
the US. In another 2 years with more charging infrastructure,
they'll work for 100% of drivers all the time and there will be zero
chance of running out of juice.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:06 AM Matt Hoppes
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
That’s a fan boy answer. Yes it is the cars fault. The car said
50 miles of range. Which then dropped to 8 because electric
motors aren’t efficient at high speeds.
On Nov 30, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Darin Steffl
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
For that police chase article, the department actually updated
and said the car wasn't fully charged the night before from
the officer who used it last. He forgot to plug it in so the
car never started the shift with a full charge. Not the Teslas
fault.
https://electrek.co/2019/09/25/tesla-police-cruiser-runs-out-battery-chase-user-error/
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:43 AM Darin Steffl
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Matt,
You said gas is the same no matter what. That's totally
false. Mpg gets worse in every gad vehicle with cold temps
and higher loads as well.
In the cold, I've always lost 4 to 8 mpg in my truck or
Honda accord in the winter. With the snowmobile trailer
pulling behind our chevy, we get about 10mpg compared to
our 19mpg without it.
I'm not sure why you would say gas vehicles are immune to
the same things that affect battery range.
Anyway, plugging in every night pretty much handles 99% of
most peoples daily miles. I can day our work vans
definitely don't drive more than the 300 to 500 mile range
the truck will have. My model 3 is 310 miles with normal
weather and in the winter, about 250 miles which always
takes care of my daily drive. Roadtrips have superchargers
all over except in north Dakota. It's on their to do list.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:22 AM Matt Hoppes
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thanks for bringing that up, Chuck.
This is exactly what scares me about electric vehicles
and an electric
truck:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/tesla-police-car-chase.html
“We think it started the pursuit with about 50 miles
left on the charge,
but when cars accelerate at speeds such as the
situation, going over 110
miles per hour, the car charge starts to drain down
faster,” Ms. Bosques
said.
The officer had "50 miles" left on the charge, but as
soon as he started
the chase the range dropped to 8 miles and he had to
call off the chase.
Imagine having your truck say you have 100 miles to
go, and you start up
a steep mountain incline to get to a tower site and
suddenly get
stranded because it dropped to 10 miles of range from
the load of
pulling up the hill.
Gas - I always know what I have and in general it's
the same no matter what.
Electric - Huge variations depending on temperature
and usage.
On 11/30/19 8:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Depends on distance. My car is always charged. So
I always have 200 miles on the tank. At the end of a
full day of driving yes it needs to be charged. Local
police departments are making Teslas work. Just takes
a different mindset. No maintenance and a truck good
for a half million miles with no fuel costs is pretty
attractive to me (I charge with solar).
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