4mpg would still be 16 miles, not 8 On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 10:01 AM Robert Andrews <[email protected]> wrote:
> I so beg to differ!!! You take a _very_ high performance Police engine > and put in the 4 gallons of gas to get a normal 50 mile range and then > go start driving it at max performance and it will go to 4 MPG so fast > your head will spin. I drive a power wagon to get to mountain tops and > it regularly goes from 100 miles range to 30 miles when I go offroad. > The FIRST think I do when I need to do a serious day is make sure it is > FULL. It would be actually easier if I was able to leave it on the > charger every night and know that I started out _every_ day with 500 > miles on the estimated range. Knowing that if I went to an offroad > site I would actually only get 200 miles with heavy load ( and would > actually be adding to the range going back downhill. You _aren't_ > going to get stuck at the TOP of a hill with an EV.. > > On 11/30/2019 07:34 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > There is no instance where simple increase in speed will take you from > > 50 miles range to 8 in a gas vehicle. Even heavy braking and hard > > acceleration. Maybe an 8 mile burn out would consume 50 miles worth of > > fuel, but then that's not a simple increase in speed. > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 9:22 AM Darin Steffl <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Matt, > > > > I don't believe you've ever actually given any attention to your gas > > vehicle while driving it. Look at your mpg during normal driving > > with no load and temps about 65. Then check mpg when it's below 30, > > then again when you have a trailer attached, then again by > > pretending you're in a police chase and accelerating heavily. > > > > Your mpg will change at nearly equal percentage to electric vehicles. > > > > Don't knock it until you try it. I've got 35,000 miles on my Tesla > > so far and made it through a Minnesota winter already and just going > > into our second winter. I've learned a lot but at the end of the > > day, I've never ran out of juice and my car is no less efficient > > than a gas car in the same driving conditions. > > > > You've obviously never heard of all the police chases where their > > gas vehicles run out of gas during a chase either. It happens all > > the time actually, it just doesn't make the news because it's not a > > Tesla. I've talked with state troopers and our sheriff's department > > and they all have stories of cars running out of gas during > > highspeed chases because they're putting way more load on their cars. > > > > So instead of being a hater just because you can, why don't you > > schedule a test drive of a Tesla or other EV's and you can learn > > something. I'll say it again, EV's today work for 99% of drivers in > > the US. In another 2 years with more charging infrastructure, > > they'll work for 100% of drivers all the time and there will be zero > > chance of running out of juice. > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:06 AM Matt Hoppes > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > That’s a fan boy answer. Yes it is the cars fault. The car said > > 50 miles of range. Which then dropped to 8 because electric > > motors aren’t efficient at high speeds. > > > > On Nov 30, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Darin Steffl > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > > >> For that police chase article, the department actually updated > >> and said the car wasn't fully charged the night before from > >> the officer who used it last. He forgot to plug it in so the > >> car never started the shift with a full charge. Not the Teslas > >> fault. > >> > >> > https://electrek.co/2019/09/25/tesla-police-cruiser-runs-out-battery-chase-user-error/ > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:43 AM Darin Steffl > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > >> > >> Matt, > >> > >> You said gas is the same no matter what. That's totally > >> false. Mpg gets worse in every gad vehicle with cold temps > >> and higher loads as well. > >> > >> In the cold, I've always lost 4 to 8 mpg in my truck or > >> Honda accord in the winter. With the snowmobile trailer > >> pulling behind our chevy, we get about 10mpg compared to > >> our 19mpg without it. > >> > >> I'm not sure why you would say gas vehicles are immune to > >> the same things that affect battery range. > >> > >> Anyway, plugging in every night pretty much handles 99% of > >> most peoples daily miles. I can day our work vans > >> definitely don't drive more than the 300 to 500 mile range > >> the truck will have. My model 3 is 310 miles with normal > >> weather and in the winter, about 250 miles which always > >> takes care of my daily drive. Roadtrips have superchargers > >> all over except in north Dakota. It's on their to do list. > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:22 AM Matt Hoppes > >> <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> Thanks for bringing that up, Chuck. > >> > >> This is exactly what scares me about electric vehicles > >> and an electric > >> truck: > >> > https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/tesla-police-car-chase.html > >> > >> “We think it started the pursuit with about 50 miles > >> left on the charge, > >> but when cars accelerate at speeds such as the > >> situation, going over 110 > >> miles per hour, the car charge starts to drain down > >> faster,” Ms. Bosques > >> said. > >> > >> The officer had "50 miles" left on the charge, but as > >> soon as he started > >> the chase the range dropped to 8 miles and he had to > >> call off the chase. > >> > >> Imagine having your truck say you have 100 miles to > >> go, and you start up > >> a steep mountain incline to get to a tower site and > >> suddenly get > >> stranded because it dropped to 10 miles of range from > >> the load of > >> pulling up the hill. > >> > >> Gas - I always know what I have and in general it's > >> the same no matter what. > >> Electric - Huge variations depending on temperature > >> and usage. > >> > >> On 11/30/19 8:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> > Depends on distance. My car is always charged. So > >> I always have 200 miles on the tank. At the end of a > >> full day of driving yes it needs to be charged. Local > >> police departments are making Teslas work. Just takes > >> a different mindset. 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