Just to clarify on the aviat advanced replacement, that does not come standard? I have access to their pricing tool and a 2 year standard warranty is included but it does not include advanced replacement unless you upgrade to that option. It's very affordable from what I saw.
We are likely going to deploy 6 links of the wtm4200 this spring. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 12:35 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also looks > like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C at any > given modulation. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >> 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive. I remember several >> years ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion >> technique to cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is >> going on in these radios? I don’t remember who the chip vendor was. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE >> AP2 at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios >> on the market. >> >> SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think >> they are incorrect either.... >> >> Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db >> difference that's still a whole antennas size! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz >> bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is >> 25.5 dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz >> bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power >> is 18.0 dBm) >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it >> shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the >> numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real >> world link. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s >> pretty impressive. >> >> >> >> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you >> also may not be able to verify it from personal experience. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one >> more. >> >> It's the only way to go >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? >> >> >> >> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. >> In practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the >> cast comes off? >> >> >> >> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as >> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only >> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. >> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over >> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even >> outage. >> >> >> >> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like >> hitting all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet >> your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no >> apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all >> really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our >> links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like >> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is >> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. >> >> >> >> <image001.jpg> >> >> *Internet.*** >> ** >> *Phone.****TV.* >> >> *Andreas Wiatowski* >> >> CEO/Founder >> >> Silo >> >> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600> >> >> | >> >> *andr...@silo.ca* <andr...@silo.ca> >> >> *silo.ca* <http://www.silo.ca/> >> >> >> >> <image002.png> >> >> >> >> <image003.png> >> >> >> >> <image004.png> >> >> *From: *AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Gino Villarini < >> g...@aeronetpr.com> >> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM >> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> [EXTERNAL] >> >> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and >> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >> >> >> >> *From: *AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >> er...@northcentraltower.com> >> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> >> >> >> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell >> that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an >> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >> combiner. >> >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> >> North Central Tower >> >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> >> Office: 815-570-3101 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >> wrote: >> >> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >> >> >> >> *Gino** Villarini * >> Founder/President >> @gvillarini >> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >> m: >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Erich Kaiser >> <er...@northcentraltower.com>Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> <af@af.afmug.com>Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AMTo: AnimalFarm >> Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>* >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> PTP820C does this its called ACCP. <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> Erich Kaiser <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> North Central Tower <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> er...@northcentraltower.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> Office: 815-570-3101 <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote: >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> Hi <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on >> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware). And >> do any have non-adjacent channels? <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> Thanks <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> Adam <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> -- <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> Adair Winter >> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >> C: 806.231.7180 >> http://www.amarillowireless.net >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Adair Winter >> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >> C: 806.231.7180 >> http://www.amarillowireless.net >> <http://www.amarillowireless.net> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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