Just so we’re comparing apples to apples, Aviat’s values are typical. Guaranteed values over time are 2 dB less power and 2 dB less threshold, or 4 dB less system gain.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:05 PM Darin Steffl <[email protected]> wrote: > Just to clarify on the aviat advanced replacement, that does not come > standard? I have access to their pricing tool and a 2 year standard > warranty is included but it does not include advanced replacement unless > you upgrade to that option. It's very affordable from what I saw. > > We are likely going to deploy 6 links of the wtm4200 this spring. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 12:35 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also >> looks like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C >> at any given modulation. >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive. I remember several >>> years ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion >>> technique to cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is >>> going on in these radios? I don’t remember who the chip vendor was. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE >>> AP2 at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios >>> on the market. >>> >>> SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think >>> they are incorrect either.... >>> >>> Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db >>> difference that's still a whole antennas size! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz >>> bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is >>> 25.5 dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz >>> bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power >>> is 18.0 dBm) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it >>> shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the >>> numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real >>> world link. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s >>> pretty impressive. >>> >>> >>> >>> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you >>> also may not be able to verify it from personal experience. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one >>> more. >>> >>> It's the only way to go >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? >>> >>> >>> >>> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. >>> In practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the >>> cast comes off? >>> >>> >>> >>> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as >>> video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only >>> number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. >>> But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over >>> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even >>> outage. >>> >>> >>> >>> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like >>> hitting all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet >>> your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no >>> apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all >>> really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our >>> links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like >>> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is >>> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. >>> >>> >>> >>> <image001.jpg> >>> >>> *Internet.*** >>> ** >>> *Phone.****TV.* >>> >>> *Andreas Wiatowski* >>> >>> CEO/Founder >>> >>> Silo >>> >>> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600> >>> >>> | >>> >>> *[email protected]* <[email protected]> >>> >>> *silo.ca* <http://www.silo.ca/> >>> >>> >>> >>> <image002.png> >>> >>> >>> >>> <image003.png> >>> >>> >>> >>> <image004.png> >>> >>> *From: *AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Gino Villarini < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM >>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> [EXTERNAL] >>> >>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and >>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> >>> >>> >>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell >>> that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an >>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >>> combiner. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> >>> North Central Tower >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >>> >>> >>> >>> *Gino** Villarini * >>> Founder/President >>> @gvillarini >>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>> m: >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Erich Kaiser >>> <[email protected]>Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> <[email protected]>Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AMTo: AnimalFarm >>> Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>* >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP. <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> Erich Kaiser <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> North Central Tower <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> [email protected] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> Office: 815-570-3101 <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband <[email protected]> wrote: >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> Hi <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on >>> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware). >>> And do any have non-adjacent channels? <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> Thanks <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> Adam <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> -- <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> Adair Winter >>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >>> C: 806.231.7180 >>> http://www.amarillowireless.net >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Adair Winter >>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >>> C: 806.231.7180 >>> http://www.amarillowireless.net >>> <http://www.amarillowireless.net> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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