Latest info I have lists the system gain for the Bridgewave Navigator balanced version, 80 MHz bw, 4096 QAM at 72.5 dBm compared to the Aviat radio at 77.5 dBm
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > > How does the system gain compare between the Aviat and Bridgewave radios? I > don't see anything listed on the publicly available spec sheet for the > Bridgewave. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:29 PM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com > <mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Just so we’re comparing apples to apples, Aviat’s values are typical. > Guaranteed values over time are 2 dB less power and 2 dB less threshold, or 4 > dB less system gain. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:05 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote: > Just to clarify on the aviat advanced replacement, that does not come > standard? I have access to their pricing tool and a 2 year standard warranty > is included but it does not include advanced replacement unless you upgrade > to that option. It's very affordable from what I saw. > > We are likely going to deploy 6 links of the wtm4200 this spring. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 12:35 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com > <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also looks > like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C at any > given modulation. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive. I remember several years > ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion technique to > cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is going on in these > radios? I don’t remember who the chip vendor was. > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Adair Winter > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE AP2 at > 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios on the > market. > > SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think they > are incorrect either.... > > Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db > difference that's still a whole antennas size! > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy <thardy...@gmail.com > <mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 MHz > bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is 25.5 > dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz > bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power > is 18.0 dBm) > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com > <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it > shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the numbers > were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real world > link. > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > > Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s pretty > impressive. > > > > But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you also > may not be able to verify it from personal experience. > > > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Adair Winter > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add one more. > > It's the only way to go > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > > You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? > > > > I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. In > practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the cast > comes off? > > > > But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved as > video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the only > number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 nines. But > customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over most-of-the-time > speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even outage. > > > > Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like hitting > all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet your life > on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no apparent > reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all really short > links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our links are 6-10 > miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like Waterworld, rain > cannot be ignored. > > > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Andreas Wiatowski > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is more > of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. > > > > <image001.jpg> > > Internet. > Phone. > TV. > > Andreas Wiatowski > > CEO/Founder > > Silo > > 1-866-727-4138, ext 600 <tel:1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600> > | > > andr...@silo.ca <mailto:andr...@silo.ca> > silo.ca <http://www.silo.ca/> > > > <image002.png> > > > > <image003.png> > > > > <image004.png> > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf > of Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > [EXTERNAL] > > Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat > radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ > > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf > of Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com > <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios > > > > No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell that > goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an option > with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a combiner. > > > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower > > er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com > <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: > > Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? > > > > Gino Villarini > Founder/President > @gvillarini > t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 > m: > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Erich Kaiser > <er...@northcentraltower.com> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > PTP820C does this its called ACCP. <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > Erich Kaiser <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > North Central Tower <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > er...@northcentraltower.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > Office: 815-570-3101 <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote: > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > Hi <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one > dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> > Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware). 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