Nothing. Someone forked the conversation into a totally new topic
instead of creating a new e-mail.
-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From: *"Matt Hoppes" <[email protected]>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
*Sent: *Saturday, February 1, 2020 4:28:42 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat
What does this have to do with CAF-II?
For us we pretty much know where the loaded APs are, it’s a matter of
smoothing out the experience.
On Jan 31, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Simon Westlake <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It's interesting to me how many people are looking at the CoDeL
piece of Preseem first - their original vision (and what I still
think is the most interesting) is the direct TCP monitoring they
do to try to figure out which APs have issues, which customers
have issues, and what the root causes of those issues are. The
CoDeL piece was just a cherry on top.
The CoDeL piece isn't very hard (if you're not worried about
scaling it very far) but the monitoring and diagnostic tools they
have are, I think, fantastic. I've never heard anyone not rave
about them, and I know tons of people using them.
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 1:06 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
ISP Radio did an interview with them and it’s still on
Youtube. 2 years old though.
https://www.preseem.com/2018/04/isp-radio-subscriber-queues-latency/
*From:* AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *David Coudron
*Sent:* Friday, January 31, 2020 12:41 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat
Others probably know better. I think some of the other tools
are DPI based where Preseem is FQ-CoDel, but I am not sure
that is true of Procera. Others integrate to the CRM
systems, so I am not sure that is a differentiator. Might be
best to hit Preseem up directly on that question. From our
experience, they are not high pressure or exaggerative, so
you wouldn’t be opening a can of worms you can’t get the lid
back on. But maybe someone has done a more in depth
investigation of the two. Sorry, wasn’t much help on the
question.
Regards,
David Coudron
*From:* AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, January 31, 2020 11:48 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat
How does Preseem compare to Procera?
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:25 AM Darin Steffl
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I second everything David said. We've been on it 2 years
now and it's a tool I will never give up. It's worth every
penny
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 11:03 AM David Coudron
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We have been using Preseem for about a year now. We
originally implemented it as a way to better manage
the customer experience and potentially make better
use of our DIA bandwidth and maybe reduce some DIA
costs. I am guessing someone could build a similar
product on their own with open source.
However, what we have found is that we get
significantly more than the customer experience
management with the tool. The reporting is beyond
awesome, it has become our number one tool for
troubleshooting customers complaints. Others on this
list can weigh in on how they use it, but our typical
day goes something like this:
1) During our morning Ops call, we take a peek at
Preseem's recap of tower latency yesterday. If
nothing new shows up for Red towers/access points, we
look at Yellow Access Points (this is a ranking of
Aps/towers over certain latency thresholds)
2) If any customer calls have come in, we use the
Preseem tool to see if they are experiencing latency
issues. If they are, we check our SNMP based
monitoring tool to see if their wireless connection to
the tower has changed or if the AP is experience
issues. We had a pretty major windstorm go through
two weeks ago, and we found a few customers whose
latency spiked and investigation into their connection
showed there was an issue with their dish.
3) If latency has climbed, but the AP and upstream
devices are all OK, we check into the experience of
that customer to others on their tower. Is their
latency spike unique, does it happen only under load,
etc. More often than not, the issue is specific to
them, doesn't only happen under load, and only at
certain times. It is usually from streaming a show on
the TV in the far back upstairs bedroom (or something
like that) with a crappy connection to their wifi
router in the house.
We have found it to be an indispensable tool for this
kind of thing. We bought it for QoE, but use it
daily for monitoring/troubleshooting activities. Not
only do you get a hosted reporting solution, you have
access to some pretty smart folks.
Just this morning our first line of support person
said "If Preseem ever goes down, I will cry, it is my
favorite troubleshooting tool". We were having a
discussion about how you could compare QoE/Latency
from a customer to other customers on the same AP, to
others on the Same Tower, to others in the same DIA,
etc. It is hard to explain how much it changes the
way you think about the "My Internet is slow"
complaint. Quite often this person will get a call
about it being slow last night, and she will ask the
time at which it happened and pull up very detailed
information like "You were using 45 of you 50 Mbps
plan with 50 ms latency".
Take the time to go through the demo with Gerrit.
You may not decide it is not for you, but it won't be
a waste of time to understand why they are pushing it
so hard.
David Coudron
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> | Mobile:
612-991-7474
Advantenon, Inc.
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> |
3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447
| www.advantenon.com <http://www.advantenon.com> |
Phone: 800-704-4720 | Local: 612-454-1545
-----Original Message-----
From: AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Adam
Moffett
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 10:41 AM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat
I think they have integration with common CRM's like
Sonar.
You sound exactly like I sounded 15 years ago. The
more stuff I have to deal with every day, the more I'm
ok with outsourcing some of my troubles to someone else.
I just paid a guy $800 to replace an exhaust inducer
in my furnace. I know that inducer is $99 and goes in
with 4 screws and a hose clamp, but it's more worth my
time to let someone else take care of it so I can do
something else. Same goes for Preseem vs the $300
Linux box.
I'm not knocking your method. There's a point in the
business cycle where there's more time than there is
cash, and it will make sense to do some more DIY
things. I'm just saying the Preseem thing has value too.
-Adam
On 1/31/2020 11:34 AM, Dev wrote:
> I’m getting spammed like every day with the Preseem
guys selling what seem like expensive hacks of
fq_codel to reduce bufferbloat. Is there anything else
interesting about their technology besides deploying
open source implementation of fq_codel or CAKE on
commodity hardware, which we already do to great
effect on a $300 single board Linux box with a few
ports? I guess they have a pretty dashboard, anyhing
other than that?
--
AF mailing list
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
--
AF mailing list
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
--
AF mailing list
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
--
AF mailing list
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
--
Simon Westlake | CEO
PGP Key: https://flowcrypt.com/pub/[email protected]
--
AF mailing list
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
--
AF mailing list
[email protected]
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
