And while I somewhat sympathize I do not thing the response was uncalled
for.
Too bad Roy got killed later on but he was really asking for it.
I was shocked at the trial outcome.
Years ago we had a polygamist here in Utah named Tom Green.
He made the rounds of the talk shows, rubbing it up the nose of the state
prosecutors.
For the past 75 years, if you just kept quiet about it, nothing would
happen.
But Tom forced the issue and got thrown in jail.
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From: Robert
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 12:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - political
Not the same reasons for but the same results...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge
On 7/20/20 9:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
It doesn't all stem from clearing a park. That might not be what you're
trying to say, but it could be read that way.
The reason people are pointing a finger at the current administration is
there was an executive order signed a few weeks ago ordering federal
agencies to protect federal property, and that seems to be a direct
response to the ongoing protests. They can bring in this variety of
agencies because the Homeland Security Act of 2002 allows them to deputize
other federal agents to assist:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/us/politics/federal-agents-portland-arrests.html
So the justification is protecting federal property, but is that all
they're doing? No political motivations of any kind here? And while I'm
sure that they have the legal authority for all of this, isn't it ok to
ask whether they should?
On 7/20/2020 12:04 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
In Portland part of the protest and occupy movement protesters were
trying to camp out in a FEDERAL PARK downtown. This attempt to occupy
federal property has not happened in other cities that I am aware of and
hence the different agencies involved. That Park director requested more
federal law enforcement help in getting the people off the park grounds
and not allow them to camp there. This was not a case of the black
helicopters coming and federal officers taking over local law enforcement
authority from the locals. If was Federal Law Enforcement protecting
federal property. In ALL law enforcement agencies it is not unusual for
plain clothes officers, detectives etc. to have unmarked vehicles and use
them when making arrests. This is hardly unusual police activity if you
look at the whole picture. Local law enforcement does this type of thing
all of the time. If these federal officers had identified people who
committed a crime on federal property and then fled, they are within
their law enforcement powers to directly pursue and apprehend them even
if the apprehension is not on federal property. Local and state officers
have the same powers. It's not typically used but it's not unheard of for
say a police officer to pursue someone who they believe has committed a
felony and cross a state line. That officer is fully empowered to make
that arrest in the other state. It has happened many times and the laws
have been upheld to allow for this. There are also still the power to
effect a citizen's arrest as well. Nobody likes to do it because it gets
messy legally after the fact but that is still allowed in this country.
Before people get outraged at what the press is telling them is
happening, they should take a step back and gather their own facts and
knowledge and not be so quick to accept some "experts" statements. You
all know how bad a journalist can butcher up a technical article on stuff
we do and work with, what makes us think they are any smarter in the
field of law or medicine?
https://kval.com/news/local/police-remove-occupy-portland-campers-from-park?fbclid=IwAR0dSQqKXj_ikwqmSfvMvvPtOVoFVhGjwrH126Lhiomx3iZXlxTUGtT2S7E
"This morning, at request and at the lead of the US Federal Protective
Service, the Portland Police helped remove campers at Shrunk Plaza, which
is federal property across the street from Chapman Square," Adams wrote.
"The campers who were arrested - an estimated 8 to 10 people - at Shrunk
Plaza were detained by federal police and cited under US federal law.
Initial reports indicate arrests were completed in a peaceful manner."
Thank you,
Brian Webster
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From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:41 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - political
I don't think I'd like it if Obama had dispatched federal troops to
"Republican-led cities" claiming they are stupidly and conservatively
run.
It also doesn't make me comfortable having Ken Cuccinelli driving this.
Not a guy who should have the power to send troops to your city for
political reasons, or any reason. Andy Taylor would make him keep his
one bullet in his shirt pocket.
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From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Larry Smith
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 10:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
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The US Border Patrol is a part of the Immigration and Naturalization
Service.
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Larry Smith
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On Mon July 20 2020 10:14, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I thought I read they admitted to being Customs & Border Patrol, at
least in Portland. But yes other reports say that a force was
assembled from various federal agencies so maybe also US Marshals.
They have been using border patrol in questionable ways for awhile,
like setting up roadblocks on highways hundreds of miles from any
border.
From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - political
The National Guard is a state resource. I think he can request it, but
I'm not sure he can command it.
What I read, they were US Marshals, and other unidentified federal
resources.
bp
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On 7/20/2020 7:41 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
Yeah, you gotta wonder what their orders were.
Doesn’t a president normally activate the National Guard when extra
help is needed?
These guys were – what? Homeland Security? ICE?
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - political
Hitler tactics by Bunker Boy...there , I said it.
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 2:49 PM <[email protected]
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wrote:
Not trying to break lent, but I am lacking understanding.
What are the young white kids rioting about in Portland?
I am from Oregon, I remember protests in the 60s and 70s over Vietnam.
I also remember a line of State Police walking through a park downtown
and busting heads of those that did not clear out. Actually one of my
first telco bosses had been one of those State Bull Cops.
Are young white kids just aching for a chance at anarchy? I don’t get
it.
Misbehaving while trying to wrap some kind of noble cause around you
is pretty childish.
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