Not the same reasons for but the same results...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge
On 7/20/20 9:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
It doesn't all stem from clearing a park. That might not be what
you're trying to say, but it could be read that way.
The reason people are pointing a finger at the current administration
is there was an executive order signed a few weeks ago ordering
federal agencies to protect federal property, and that seems to be a
direct response to the ongoing protests. They can bring in this
variety of agencies because the Homeland Security Act of 2002 allows
them to deputize other federal agents to assist:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/us/politics/federal-agents-portland-arrests.html
So the justification is protecting federal property, but is that all
they're doing? No political motivations of any kind here? And while
I'm sure that they have the legal authority for all of this, isn't it
ok to ask whether they should?
On 7/20/2020 12:04 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
In Portland part of the protest and occupy movement protesters were
trying to camp out in a FEDERAL PARK downtown. This attempt to occupy
federal property has not happened in other cities that I am aware of
and hence the different agencies involved. That Park director
requested more federal law enforcement help in getting the people off
the park grounds and not allow them to camp there. This was not a
case of the black helicopters coming and federal officers taking over
local law enforcement authority from the locals. If was Federal Law
Enforcement protecting federal property. In ALL law enforcement
agencies it is not unusual for plain clothes officers, detectives
etc. to have unmarked vehicles and use them when making arrests. This
is hardly unusual police activity if you look at the whole picture.
Local law enforcement does this type of thing all of the time. If
these federal officers had identified people who committed a crime on
federal property and then fled, they are within their law enforcement
powers to directly pursue and apprehend them even if the apprehension
is not on federal property. Local and state officers have the same
powers. It's not typically used but it's not unheard of for say a
police officer to pursue someone who they believe has committed a
felony and cross a state line. That officer is fully empowered to
make that arrest in the other state. It has happened many times and
the laws have been upheld to allow for this. There are also still the
power to effect a citizen's arrest as well. Nobody likes to do it
because it gets messy legally after the fact but that is still
allowed in this country.
Before people get outraged at what the press is telling them is
happening, they should take a step back and gather their own facts
and knowledge and not be so quick to accept some "experts"
statements. You all know how bad a journalist can butcher up a
technical article on stuff we do and work with, what makes us think
they are any smarter in the field of law or medicine?
https://kval.com/news/local/police-remove-occupy-portland-campers-from-park?fbclid=IwAR0dSQqKXj_ikwqmSfvMvvPtOVoFVhGjwrH126Lhiomx3iZXlxTUGtT2S7E
"This morning, at request and at the lead of the US Federal
Protective Service, the Portland Police helped remove campers at
Shrunk Plaza, which is federal property across the street from
Chapman Square," Adams wrote. "The campers who were arrested - an
estimated 8 to 10 people - at Shrunk Plaza were detained by federal
police and cited under US federal law. Initial reports indicate
arrests were completed in a peaceful manner."
Thank you,
Brian Webster
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From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:41 AM
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I don't think I'd like it if Obama had dispatched federal troops to
"Republican-led cities" claiming they are stupidly and conservatively
run.
It also doesn't make me comfortable having Ken Cuccinelli driving
this. Not a guy who should have the power to send troops to your
city for political reasons, or any reason. Andy Taylor would make
him keep his one bullet in his shirt pocket.
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From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Larry Smith
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The US Border Patrol is a part of the Immigration and Naturalization
Service.
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On Mon July 20 2020 10:14, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I thought I read they admitted to being Customs & Border Patrol, at
least in Portland. But yes other reports say that a force was
assembled from various federal agencies so maybe also US Marshals.
They have been using border patrol in questionable ways for awhile,
like setting up roadblocks on highways hundreds of miles from any
border.
From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:56 AM
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The National Guard is a state resource. I think he can request it, but
I'm not sure he can command it.
What I read, they were US Marshals, and other unidentified federal
resources.
bp
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On 7/20/2020 7:41 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
Yeah, you gotta wonder what their orders were.
Doesn’t a president normally activate the National Guard when extra
help is needed?
These guys were – what? Homeland Security? ICE?
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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Hitler tactics by Bunker Boy...there , I said it.
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 2:49 PM <[email protected]
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Not trying to break lent, but I am lacking understanding.
What are the young white kids rioting about in Portland?
I am from Oregon, I remember protests in the 60s and 70s over Vietnam.
I also remember a line of State Police walking through a park downtown
and busting heads of those that did not clear out. Actually one of my
first telco bosses had been one of those State Bull Cops.
Are young white kids just aching for a chance at anarchy? I don’t
get it.
Misbehaving while trying to wrap some kind of noble cause around you
is pretty childish.
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