I have no idea how Xmission does their stuff... but extension to
extension dialing, paging (which actually has nothing to do with the
PBX... should be multicast and never leave your LAN), conference
bridges, IVR's, hunt groups, etc. are all standard features as part of a
domain.  Maybe they charge extra for all of this stuff?

CallerID on the seat is going to be controlled by their switch not your
PBX so you are going to have to talk to them about that.  For the SIP
trunk... it all depends on how they provision those (for instance, using
an SBC instead of Netsapiens).

SIP trunking is more expensive than VoIP lines because utilization is
higher.  That means your typing up my switch more and using more
minutes.  I have no idea how Xmission "unlimited" is worded nor what
your utilization looks like... but you may run afoul of it.

Unless Xmission has some out of wack SIP trunk pricing... I doubt the
difference is that big.

I can't help much because now I know the details I know what you want to
accomplish wouldn't work on my setup.  Since you are my reseller I'd
probably just give you a special price on the trunk and move on... but
the way we have things configured (and they should too) wouldn't let it
happen.

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> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> September 23, 2020 at 15:54
> I have been running a pbx for years.  We need extension to extension
> calling, paging, conf all the stuff you expect in a business. 
> Multiple calls on the same line outgoing, all the conventional pbx
> features.  Aastra phones etc.
>  
> Costs us nothing to run asterisk.  Just have to pay for sip trunking. 
> Voip lines are cheaper. 
>  
> *From:* Daniel White
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question
>  
> Xmission is using Netsapiens like Lewis and I :-)
>
> I'm not sure why you are gung-ho to run a PBX for your shop if you are
> buying services from them.  What little you save in money you lose in
> redundancy, ease of configuration, etc. etc.
>
> Your not really running your own product if you are not replicating
> what you are selling to your business customers.
>
> If you bought a seat from me, on my Netsapiens platform, and tried to
> change the Caller ID it wouldn't work.  On a SIP trunk, it passes
> through.  On the flip side, so long as you could show me that you own
> a TN (even if it not on my service) I would provision Caller ID to
> reflect that number.
>
> I've proactively implemented policies we will have to have for
> STIR/SHAKEN... no sense dealing with the mess when it becomes law.
>
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> Daniel White <mailto:[email protected]>
> September 23, 2020 at 15:49
> Xmission is using Netsapiens like Lewis and I :-)
>
> I'm not sure why you are gung-ho to run a PBX for your shop if you are
> buying services from them.  What little you save in money you lose in
> redundancy, ease of configuration, etc. etc.
>
> Your not really running your own product if you are not replicating
> what you are selling to your business customers.
>
> If you bought a seat from me, on my Netsapiens platform, and tried to
> change the Caller ID it wouldn't work.  On a SIP trunk, it passes
> through.  On the flip side, so long as you could show me that you own
> a TN (even if it not on my service) I would provision Caller ID to
> reflect that number.
>
> I've proactively implemented policies we will have to have for
> STIR/SHAKEN... no sense dealing with the mess when it becomes law.
>
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> September 23, 2020 at 15:34
> We are mixing apples and oranges in this tread. 
> I am (going to be) reselling VOIP from Xmission in SLC. 
> They have been around since the beginning of the internet.  I presume
> whatever they are using is carrier class.
>  
> I am the one running asterisk for my shop.  I would like to start to
> use my own product, the Xmission VoIP rather than paying much more for
> SIP trunks from Xmission. 
>  
> *From:* Daniel White
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question
>  
> Not necessarily, especially if you consider what a hosting provider is
> doing on top of just the pure minutes.  Also, any free PBX solution is
> not anywhere close to the capabilities and resiliency of a real switch.
>
> Fixed cost also means you know your margins and makes things far more
> predictable.  And if you have a user that uses more than the
> average... they lose not you.
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> Daniel White <mailto:[email protected]>
> September 23, 2020 at 15:30
> Not necessarily, especially if you consider what a hosting provider is
> doing on top of just the pure minutes.  Also, any free PBX solution is
> not anywhere close to the capabilities and resiliency of a real switch.
>
> Fixed cost also means you know your margins and makes things far more
> predictable.  And if you have a user that uses more than the
> average... they lose not you.
>
> TJ Trout <mailto:[email protected]>
> September 23, 2020 at 14:35
> with any volume you want to go to a per minute/per item rate, then you
> reap the profits instead of the guy offering you $8 flat rate...
>
>
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