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On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 8:03 AM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote:

> This is why the left cant meme. The lack of detail. Memelords would never
> have allowed that tie to make it through QC. 1/10
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 7:31 AM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Yep..
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 9:38 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The memes will be epic. The memelords havent even started shitposting,
>>> which is odd.  This is a 2 of 10 gem. The covid death memes from the street
>>> "celebrations" are going to be particularly ruthless.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 10:26 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> God this is more entertaining than 2016
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 10:12 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Barr is a Trump puppet.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/1542846845827136/posts/3249813925130411/?sfnsn=mo
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 7:07 PM Robert <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only thing just getting started is the next level of FUD from the
>>>>>> DUD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/9/20 5:51 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From Wikipedia: *The Gateway Pundit* is an American far-right
>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_right_(United_States)>[9]
>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit#cite_note-9> news
>>>>>> and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods,
>>>>>> hoaxes, and conspiracy theories
>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories>.[17]
>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit#cite_note-17>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone has credible evidence that would overturn the election, it
>>>>>> should absolutely be brought before the courts. At the moment, all of the
>>>>>> evidence seems to point to a fair election where Donald Trump lost by 
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> 4,000,000 votes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 7:34 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit ..pure Bullshit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 5:39 PM justsumname <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this thing is just getting started, gents.   It's only Monday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-ag-barr-authorizes-federal-prosecutors-pursue-substantial-allegations-voting-irregularities-2020-election-certified/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RealClearPolitics un-calls Pennsylvania for Biden.   The state is
>>>>>>>> grey on their map, now.   Was Blue yesterday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not understand the vitriol against Mr Trump.   He's been an
>>>>>>>> excellent President for all Americans.
>>>>>>>> No I didn't ask... I can read everyone's comments, and I have.
>>>>>>>>  For years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online.  But it
>>>>>>>>> has to be resistant to buying and selling votes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We
>>>>>>>>> have already dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot 
>>>>>>>>> meaning
>>>>>>>>> no one can see who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's 
>>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>> to claim their vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your
>>>>>>>>> results with your code. You can do the same without recording a name.
>>>>>>>>> If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be
>>>>>>>>> verified, fairly quickly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side
>>>>>>>>> effects are the best side effects.
>>>>>>>>> You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be
>>>>>>>>> verified legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing 
>>>>>>>>> infrastructure
>>>>>>>>> can be used to canvass a contested district for verification of vote
>>>>>>>>> accuracy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is the last election where fraud can be claimed...
>>>>>>>>> inadvertant, as is most of the left's mistakes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a
>>>>>>>>>> long time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to
>>>>>>>>>> the office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> ballet cart to have the vote count.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person
>>>>>>>>>>> voting, both early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also 
>>>>>>>>>>> printed out
>>>>>>>>>>> and can be verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to
>>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.
>>>>>>>>>>> In addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the 
>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  
>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how I
>>>>>>>>>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they 
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back 
>>>>>>>>>>> when we
>>>>>>>>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step 
>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I 
>>>>>>>>>>> sealed it
>>>>>>>>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
>>>>>>>>>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on 
>>>>>>>>>>> election
>>>>>>>>>>> day before they could start processing them.  This was apparently 
>>>>>>>>>>> also the
>>>>>>>>>>> case in many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to 
>>>>>>>>>>> open the
>>>>>>>>>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the
>>>>>>>>>>> rest of the state), they count them as they come in, but hold the 
>>>>>>>>>>> results
>>>>>>>>>>> in a secure area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots 
>>>>>>>>>>> that are
>>>>>>>>>>> postmarked (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election 
>>>>>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>>>>> accepted for a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long 
>>>>>>>>>>> that is.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped
>>>>>>>>>>> our ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told 
>>>>>>>>>>> us (1)
>>>>>>>>>>> if the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. 
>>>>>>>>>>> It took
>>>>>>>>>>> 48 hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our
>>>>>>>>>>> ballots had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to 
>>>>>>>>>>> go fix
>>>>>>>>>>> that, but I've never had to use it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to
>>>>>>>>>>> go.  That way when the polls close you have an immediate count.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the
>>>>>>>>>>> beginning. I remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County  
>>>>>>>>>>> 30 years
>>>>>>>>>>> ago or so. Even when you punched out a hole properly, the chads 
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> sometime stick or hang on a corner.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots
>>>>>>>>>>> where you fill in the square or the circle.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a
>>>>>>>>>>> decade. When I voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our 
>>>>>>>>>>> ballots at
>>>>>>>>>>> the kitchen counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when 
>>>>>>>>>>> we were
>>>>>>>>>>> running errands in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to 
>>>>>>>>>>> call it
>>>>>>>>>>> that) took less than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at 
>>>>>>>>>>> one of
>>>>>>>>>>> dozens of drop boxes all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 
>>>>>>>>>>> drop
>>>>>>>>>>> boxes for a population of ~~ 750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 
>>>>>>>>>>> 20,000
>>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival
>>>>>>>>>>> absentee ballots. All of the ones they've counted so far arrived 
>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>> November 3, but for reasons I don't understand were not allowed to 
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> counted until after the day-of voting. From the things I've read, 
>>>>>>>>>>> there are
>>>>>>>>>>> only about 85,000 of them, and they are unlikely to do anything but 
>>>>>>>>>>> extend
>>>>>>>>>>> Biden's cushion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting
>>>>>>>>>>> standards. Perhaps it would be a violation of state's rights, but 
>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>> other hand, there would be a lot less confusion when the time for 
>>>>>>>>>>> voting
>>>>>>>>>>> comes around.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona.
>>>>>>>>>>> It’s a Maxwell’s Demon approach.  Open the door when it helps me, 
>>>>>>>>>>> close the
>>>>>>>>>>> door when it helps the other guy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v
>>>>>>>>>>> Gore, the Gore camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> counties where they thought it would help them.  But also the votes 
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>> already been counted (and recounted).  And there was the original 
>>>>>>>>>>> Florida
>>>>>>>>>>> Man, some guy named Hanging Chad?  And the phone call and the 
>>>>>>>>>>> retraction.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed.
>>>>>>>>>>> That does not bode well for half the country moving on from this 
>>>>>>>>>>> election.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're
>>>>>>>>>>> demanding a decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing
>>>>>>>>>>> hasn't really gotten started yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Judges don't hold court on the weekends.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes good movie.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lancaster...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political
>>>>>>>>>>> parties, which came soon enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty
>>>>>>>>>>> Valance.  Set in the fading days of the old west with territories 
>>>>>>>>>>> becoming
>>>>>>>>>>> states and deciding who to elect as their representatives.  Should 
>>>>>>>>>>> it be
>>>>>>>>>>> Jimmy Stewart the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang 
>>>>>>>>>>> leader?
>>>>>>>>>>> The old fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and best 
>>>>>>>>>>> educated person
>>>>>>>>>>> to Washington to represent you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in 
>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>>> esteem today, and we would probably vote for Liberty Valance.  I 
>>>>>>>>>>> assume
>>>>>>>>>>> everyone has seen the movie.  It’s an old John Ford western, in 
>>>>>>>>>>> fact he
>>>>>>>>>>> shot it in B&W, but it’s a must see.  Look at the cast – Jimmy 
>>>>>>>>>>> Stewart,
>>>>>>>>>>> John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond O’Brien, 
>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>> Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California
>>>>>>>>>>> existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Uhhhh. No. The EC was created so that California has the same
>>>>>>>>>>> voice power as Rhode Island.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince
>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly
>>>>>>>>>>> Electoral College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the 
>>>>>>>>>>> crazy slave
>>>>>>>>>>> is 3/5 of a person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and 
>>>>>>>>>>> we're still
>>>>>>>>>>> dealing with decisions we made about slaves.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We have spoken.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Righteous Indignation
>>>>>>>>>>>
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