Somehow that’s making me hungry for a BLT.
We had a local deli that made a killer turkey-bacon club with lettuce and tomato and cheddar cheese and horseradish mustard on multigrain toast. The building was once a Cock Robin Ice Cream, still had the sign. Went out of business 2 or 3 years ago. Damn. From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 9:26 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X You gotta admit virtual sammiches just don’t cut it……. From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:05 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X Sammiches are an essential service On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 5:33 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: But everything is virtual now. 🥪🥪🥪 From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 5:25 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X By my need exceeds my ability to produce samiches (sorry for identiyism) and cambium is a monolithic evil corporation and should be putting sammiches on everyone's plate On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 4:58 PM James Howard <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: It’s samiches…. And there’s still no more free lunch. We’re going to make sure that every American pays their fair share From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:03 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X Is this the same virtual product? Or if we switch to x do we have to migrate to a new on premise or new cloud server? And if the sunscriprionnis cancelled? Or is it just turn on and turn off inside of the software? And sandwiches, I was told there would be sandwiches On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 3:47 PM John Seaman via AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: It’s not really two different products. Think of it as a Freemium model. You can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start using it. Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and start using it (also free). If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription. As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the basic version. These essential functions include the following (some of these are Wi-Fi related): * Device onboarding * Monitoring * Configuring * Notifications – alarms & events * Basic captive portal * Dashboard * Device inventory * Network topology * SW updates * Maps * Wireless & wired client view * Floor plan * Moving APs between sites * Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW * Connectivity * Link test * Performance KPIs * RF Quality * Satellite view * Email notification The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to use the API functionality and a couple others. For wisps, cnMaestro X provides the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some: APIs, Reports, audit logs. Most of the other X features are more related to enterprise Wi-Fi like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and others. And, you also get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation) with a subscription to X. All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a “Pro” flag for the last few years. It has been no secret that Cambium has always been planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features. That time has finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, it’s named cnMaestro X. Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss. John 858-335-4384 From: Matt Hoppes <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: John Seaman <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X I am still really confused as is my distributor. Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the management software that has a pay for future model? Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t start paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through this mailing list? On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that requires X. Also correct on payment gateways. It’s currently flagged as a “Pro” feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the feature going forward. From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then? And no more payment gateways on captive portal? On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete list of what you get with the free version (the first column) vs. cnMaestro X. https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cambiumnetworks.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F08%2FcnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Cjohn.seaman%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C0aa8184feb0341e3f7c508d89bbc6bd9%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637430580860419420%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3OSKp6dPN8CyCCyo%2FogwqX6qEG8B%2BAtbTawPQfdV7fE%3D&reserved=0> cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has additional features not available in the free version. From: Matt Hoppes <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: John Seaman <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X But this is only if using X correct? Standard maestro will continue to be free for SM and AP? I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are free features in standard now pay in X? On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: That’s correct. FWB is fixed wireless broadband. So for wisps there are two pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to tier 2). SMs are less expensive than the APs. For example, for the three year subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs are $60 ($20 per year). As for PTP, this includes the sub 6 GHz backhauls like the PTP 670 and 550 (cnMaestro does not yet support PTP 820). Pricing for enterprise Wi-Fi/enterprise gear follows the third schedule, referred to as Tier 3. Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along with Cambium Care Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support service. Standard tech support (8x5) is still free. From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband? From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a prostitute. On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote: also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with benefits so you get to be a friend with benefits if you pay the fee. On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be 60GHz ptmp when it arrives, so we'll be paying $90 per device? for 5 year? but an AP may not last that long but we still have to keep track of it. It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't understand it. On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you explain these in more detail John <image002.png> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I believe "config push" will still be a free feature. At least this is what John alluded to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a "PRO" feature when I login. On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Id like to know the pricing on long term data and multi tenant. I was reading the manual on multitenant and so excited then went to do it and was like damn, kick me in the balls. we are cloud I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if you do CBRS its more than config pushes (also not free) Does on prem let you do long term data? CnMaestro is like Linkplanner, the product is too good to be completely free, there has to be some revenue for support and new feature engagement. Its along the lines of when Unimus was way to cheap to be sustainable On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I thought it was clear from the beginning that there would be separate free and paid versions. On 12/7/2020 6:20 PM, John Seaman via AF wrote: No, cnMaestro is definitely not EOL. Basic (free) cnMaestro and X are both here to stay. You can download the feature list here. https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cnmaestro-x/ <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambiumnetworks.com%2Fcnmaestro-x%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cjohn.seaman%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C0aa8184feb0341e3f7c508d89bbc6bd9%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637430580860429418%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DSn9mG6JJHkGvRQGPpUoQBpM6m0LMrytg1o%2FadO5dZU%3D&reserved=0> It’s notable that X also comes with 24x7 Cambium Care Pro as a value add. From: AF <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 3:16 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] cnmaestro X So does this mean the current cnMaestro will be EOL? I can’t find a list of pay vs free features for X. On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Steve D <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Near as I can tell, for us, it's going to be something we only use for pushing mass-config changes and firmware. I might even pull back support access if we really do lose audit logs. I'll miss the reports it generated. (At least, whenever our on-prem version is deemed at the point we *have* to upgrade it...) Since we always kind of knew it might happen (hoped not) we never put all our eggs into the basket, so to speak. I think it'll still be a useful tool, just less so going forward. -Steve D On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:30 PM Sam Lambie <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Now that Cambium has me for +2000 subs on cnmaestro, what am I going to lose if I don't go to X? What do we gain if we do migrate and how much a month/per sub? hank you for being a part of the cnMaestro beta program and your feedback on the Pro features. Cambium Networks is proud to announce the release of cnMaestro X this month, including the Pro features you are using today. Starting January 4th, you will have the option to turn on cnMaestro X for a 90-day trial. On April 5th, your account will downgrade to the free version of cnMaestro if you do not wish to upgrade to cnMaestro X. Below are a few cnMaestro X highlights: 1. Support for Software Defined Radios, high-density Wi-Fi APs, and the new 60GHz PTP solution 2. Long term historical data 3. MSP features including managed tenant accounts & branding 4. API and webhooks 5. Higher limits for ePSK, admin accounts, and captive portals Please contact your distributor or partner for pricing details. Thanks! 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