Thanks for the clarification John. One last thing, if we are planning on deploying V5000 and V1000 should we be incorporating the CNMaestro X cost into each AP and SM to make the 60GHz Terragraph system work?
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:21 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > So I’m really confused now what would be the benefit of migrating to the > free X version versus the free current version? > > On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Is this the same virtual product? Or if we switch to x do we have to > migrate to a new on premise or new cloud server? And if the sunscriprionnis > cancelled? > Or is it just turn on and turn off inside of the software? > > And sandwiches, I was told there would be sandwiches > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 3:47 PM John Seaman via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > >> It’s not really two different products. Think of it as a Freemium >> model. You can create a free account in cnMaestro cloud anytime, and start >> using it. Alternatively you can also download the on-prem version and >> start using it (also free). >> >> >> >> If you want the advanced features, then you need a subscription. >> >> >> >> As a wisp, you get all the essential functionality for free, with the >> basic version. These essential functions include the following (some of >> these are Wi-Fi related): >> >> · Device onboarding >> >> · Monitoring >> >> · Configuring >> >> · Notifications – alarms & events >> >> · Basic captive portal >> >> · Dashboard >> >> · Device inventory >> >> · Network topology >> >> · SW updates >> >> · Maps >> >> · Wireless & wired client view >> >> · Floor plan >> >> · Moving APs between sites >> >> · Remote packet capture/debug, WiFi Analyzer, NW >> >> · Connectivity >> >> · Link test >> >> · Performance KPIs >> >> · RF Quality >> >> · Satellite view >> >> · Email notification >> >> >> >> The free features are pretty much everything you need unless you want to >> use the API functionality and a couple others. For wisps, cnMaestro X >> provides the following “paid” features that will be of interest to some: >> APIs, Reports, audit logs. Most of the other X features are more related >> to enterprise Wi-Fi like advanced captive portals, MSP (multi tenancy), and >> others. And, you also get premium tech support (24x7, quick escalation) >> with a subscription to X. >> >> >> >> All of these X features have been identified within cnMaestro with a >> “Pro” flag for the last few years. It has been no secret that Cambium has >> always been planning to eventually start charging for the Pro features. >> That time has finally come, although instead of naming it cnMaestro Pro, >> it’s named cnMaestro X. >> >> >> >> Matt feel free to give me a call to discuss. >> >> >> >> John >> >> 858-335-4384 >> >> >> >> *From:* Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:01 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Cc:* John Seaman <john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X >> >> >> >> I am still really confused as is my distributor. >> >> >> >> Are these two different products or is the X just the name for the >> management software that has a pay for future model? >> >> >> >> Is there anything we are losing that we currently have today if we don’t >> start paying for this product that I know nothing about other than through >> this mailing list? >> >> >> >> On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:54 PM, John Seaman via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Assuming the powercode integration is handled through API, yes – that >> requires X. Also correct on payment gateways. It’s currently flagged as a >> “Pro” feature, so that means you’ll need an X subscription to use the >> feature going forward. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:33 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X >> >> >> >> Will those with powercode integration on on premise break then? >> >> >> >> And no more payment gateways on captive portal? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: >> >> Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete >> list of what you get with the free version (the first column) vs. >> cnMaestro X. >> https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf >> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cambiumnetworks.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F08%2FcnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Cjohn.seaman%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C0aa8184feb0341e3f7c508d89bbc6bd9%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637430580860419420%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3OSKp6dPN8CyCCyo%2FogwqX6qEG8B%2BAtbTawPQfdV7fE%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> >> cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has >> additional features not available in the free version. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Cc:* John Seaman <john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X >> >> >> >> But this is only if using X correct? Standard maestro will continue to >> be free for SM and AP? >> >> >> >> I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are >> free features in standard now pay in X? >> >> >> >> On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> That’s correct. FWB is fixed wireless broadband. So for wisps there are >> two pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to >> tier 2). SMs are less expensive than the APs. For example, for the three >> year subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs are $60 >> ($20 per year). As for PTP, this includes the sub 6 GHz backhauls like the >> PTP 670 and 550 (cnMaestro does not yet support PTP 820). Pricing for >> enterprise Wi-Fi/enterprise gear follows the third schedule, referred to as >> Tier 3. >> >> >> >> Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along with Cambium >> Care Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support service. Standard tech >> support (8x5) is still free. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X >> >> >> >> FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X >> >> >> >> If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a prostitute. >> >> On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote: >> >> also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with benefits so you get >> to be a friend with benefits if you pay the fee. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be 60GHz ptmp when it >> arrives, so we'll be paying $90 per device? for 5 year? but an AP may not >> last that long but we still have to keep track of it. >> >> >> >> It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't understand it. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you explain these in more >> detail John >> >> >> >> <image002.png> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I believe "config push" will still be a free feature. At least this is >> what John alluded to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a "PRO" feature >> when I login. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Id like to know the pricing on long term data and multi tenant. I was >> reading the manual on multitenant and so excited then went to do it and was >> like damn, kick me in the balls. we are cloud >> >> >> >> I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if you do CBRS its more than >> config pushes (also not free) >> >> >> >> Does on prem let you do long term data? >> >> >> >> CnMaestro is like Linkplanner, the product is too good to be completely >> free, there has to be some revenue for support and new feature engagement. >> Its along the lines of when Unimus was way to cheap to be sustainable >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I thought it was clear from the beginning that there would be separate >> free and paid versions. >> >> >> >> On 12/7/2020 6:20 PM, John Seaman via AF wrote: >> >> No, cnMaestro is definitely not EOL. Basic (free) cnMaestro and X are >> both here to stay. >> >> You can download the feature list here. >> >> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cnmaestro-x/ >> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambiumnetworks.com%2Fcnmaestro-x%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cjohn.seaman%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C0aa8184feb0341e3f7c508d89bbc6bd9%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637430580860429418%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DSn9mG6JJHkGvRQGPpUoQBpM6m0LMrytg1o%2FadO5dZU%3D&reserved=0> >> >> It’s notable that X also comes with 24x7 Cambium Care Pro as a value add. >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >> Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes >> *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 3:16 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] cnmaestro X >> >> >> >> So does this mean the current cnMaestro will be EOL? >> >> >> >> I can’t find a list of pay vs free features for X. >> >> >> >> On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Steve D <bigd...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Near as I can tell, for us, it's going to be something we only use for >> pushing mass-config changes and firmware. I might even pull back support >> access if we really do lose audit logs. >> >> >> >> I'll miss the reports it generated. (At least, whenever our on-prem >> version is deemed at the point we *have* to upgrade it...) >> >> >> >> Since we always kind of knew it might happen (hoped not) we never put all >> our eggs into the basket, so to speak. I think it'll still be a useful >> tool, just less so going forward. >> >> >> >> -Steve D >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:30 PM Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Now that Cambium has me for +2000 subs on cnmaestro, what am I going to >> lose if I don't go to X? >> >> >> >> What do we gain if we do migrate and how much a month/per sub? >> >> hank you for being a part of the cnMaestro beta program and your feedback >> on the Pro features. 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