>From what I can tell: "live migration" was added in 2008. "zero downtime live migration via ssh" was added in 1.4 in 2009 "live migration with local storage" was added in 2017.
Here's an ancient demo from 2013 of live vm migration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjxfFR3oSbY A user-friendly DRS is lacking in proxmox itself, but most people who are sophisticated enough to need this are able to roll their own quickly by calling the API. There are also several people who have published their implementation. I guess I might want to rephrase this: DRS in proxmox is generally implemented by the user by using scripts or some third party tool. One note is that it seems like proxmox either ends up in the small cluster role (i.e. 3-4 machines), where you can fairly easily balance things out yourself, or in giant farms in organizations that already have a big open-source or development culture. It seems like vmware still dominates in that middle ground where you have enough machines where it's a pain to keep track of everything by hand, but you don't have enough servers to want to build your own provisioning system (or use a third party tool) On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 8:44 PM Steven Kenney <[email protected]> wrote: > When was it added? From what I've been told its buggy and not as fluid > and painless as vmware. I can migrate both hosts and datastores at the > same time LIVE while a machine is running. Does Proxmox have DRS? > > [image: logo] <https://www.wavedirect.net/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed> > <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/> > <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1> > <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect> > * STEVEN KENNEY * > DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | > Leamington ON > E: [email protected] | P: 519-737-9283 > W: www.wavedirect.net > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" <[email protected]> > *To: *"af" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 4:52:02 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives > > Proxmox has both of these featues. Plus with a ceph backend storage > migration should become less of an issue as you effectively mirror drives > across cluster nodes. > > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 2:33 PM Steven Kenney <[email protected]> wrote: > >> HA only.. no live migrations. No live storage migrations. Last I >> checked it didn't support it. >> >> [image: logo] <https://www.wavedirect.net/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed> >> <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/> >> <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1> >> <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect> >> * STEVEN KENNEY * >> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | >> Leamington ON >> E: [email protected] | P: 519-737-9283 >> W: www.wavedirect.net >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"af" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 12:40:45 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives >> >> Like? >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Steven Kenney" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"af" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 11:39:21 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives >> >> You can use it for 100000 servers. But it still won't do certain things >> that make managing all of them easy. >> >> [image: logo] <https://www.wavedirect.net/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed> >> <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/> >> <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1> >> <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect> >> * STEVEN KENNEY * >> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | >> Leamington ON >> E: [email protected] | P: 519-737-9283 >> W: www.wavedirect.net >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"af" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 11:53:05 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives >> >> Strange. >> Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many, >> many racks full of servers. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Steven Kenney" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"af" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46:26 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives >> >> Here is the alternative I was looking at. Since Xen didn't do >> paravirtual before but it does now. >> >> https://xcp-ng.org/ >> >> Proxmox too many things its missing to list here. Its great for basic >> usage 2-3 servers definitely. I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small >> operation. >> >> [image: logo] <https://www.wavedirect.net/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed> >> <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/> >> <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1> >> <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect> >> * STEVEN KENNEY * >> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | >> Leamington ON >> E: [email protected] | P: 519-737-9283 >> W: www.wavedirect.net >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"af" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 10:49:39 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives >> >> What features is Proxmox missing that vSphere has (and you need\use)? >> Proxmox also has a backup server now, though I haven't really looked at >> it. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Steven Kenney" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"af" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 9:47:51 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives >> >> Oh the combo.. couldn't help you there :) Proxmox looks cool.. but still >> doesn't have the features Vmware does. But I hear now there is some pretty >> good xen material out there now. It has advanced much further than it used >> to be. Trying to find the link but the manager you need to pay for but its >> a fraction of Vmware. >> >> [image: logo] <https://www.wavedirect.net/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed> >> <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/> >> <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1> >> <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect> >> * STEVEN KENNEY * >> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | >> Leamington ON >> E: [email protected] | P: 519-737-9283 >> W: www.wavedirect.net >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Steve Jones" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"af" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 2:16:29 AM >> *Subject: *[AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives >> >> Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting >> priced out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome >> task. >> Having been using what is probably the simplest virtualization/backup >> combo out there I'm guessing anything we move to will have a massive >> learning curve for me, >> >> What combos are out there that dont break the bank and are reliable as >> this? >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- - Forrest
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