As far as I know, you can't really shut the auto adjust off on these things.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 9:42 AM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > That sounds like aligning the free space optics without the auto adjust > shut off > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 9:33 AM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I've found that it works best to just align them visually using the >> little plastic sight that comes with them. It doesn't really work very will >> to use signal level to align the Mikrotik 60ghz stuff, because of the beam >> forming... the arrows work fairly well, but it does seem to be almost >> impossible to get it right on using those. The beam forming does seem to >> work pretty well on them though, so they don't need to be terribly >> precise... it's not at all like trying to align something like the >> Ignitenets. >> >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 9:20 AM Craig Baird <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I'm wondering if any of you have pointers for aligning these things. Do >>> you just use the little arrow LEDs on the radio? I tried doing that but >>> never could get them to all go out. When an arrow would light up, I'd move >>> it that direction (very slowly), but I'd invariably overshoot, and the >>> opposite arrow would come on, or in some cases, while adjusting >>> horizontally, I'd suddenly get a vertical arrow lighting up that wasn't >>> there before. I finally gave up and left it with a couple arrows on. It's >>> running at full capacity, but if the signal isn't maxed out, I worry what >>> will happen when there's a downpour. Any advice? >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 1:52 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'll have to look at them again, but I think the mounts are basically >>>> the same as the solid mounts for the old wireless wire dishes. I haven't >>>> had any problems with the alignment adjuster screws seizing on any of >>>> those, and I've used quite a few of them, but the u-bolts can certainly be >>>> a problem... But that's easily fixed by just replacing the nuts with >>>> something other than stainless. I've gotten into the habit of just >>>> automatically replacing the nuts any time I see stainless hardware, or >>>> greasing it, if I have to. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 7:34 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Did you use 320? Are they as bad as those at seizing? >>>>> If it's like that I dont care how good the gear is I wont buy another. >>>>> I dont like staff having to use angle grinders in field. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 3:45 PM Craig Baird <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant, you're talking about >>>>>> the nRay. I just picked up a pair of those for a link of about 250 ft. >>>>>> One >>>>>> issue I had with them is that the mount is all stainless steel hardware, >>>>>> and about 10 minutes after slightly tightening everything up, I found all >>>>>> the nuts were seized and I could no longer loosen it without breaking >>>>>> bolts. Even the alignment adjuster screws have this issue. I noticed >>>>>> everything was stainless before I started installing and should have just >>>>>> waited until I could get some non-stainless nuts to replace the stainless >>>>>> ones. But being the impatient idiot that I am, I decided I just wouldn't >>>>>> tighten them down too much, and then I'd pick up new hardware the next >>>>>> time >>>>>> I came back. Now, I'm looking at having to buy new mounts for both ends. >>>>>> Why do manufacturers use all stainless hardware? When I owned my WISP, we >>>>>> had this issue way back in the SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like >>>>>> manufacturers should know better. >>>>>> >>>>>> Craig >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz >>>>>>> stuff I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I >>>>>>> have a set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an >>>>>>> improvement, but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice >>>>>>> for super short links. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks >>>>>>> like they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't >>>>>>> have significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> than 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will >>>>>>>> see how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and >>>>>>>> plan on using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd >>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>> of banks with remote drivethroughs very nearby. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with >>>>>>>> had killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent >>>>>>>> default 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would >>>>>>>> sporadically >>>>>>>> trash 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. >>>>>>>>> The problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember >>>>>>>>> right)... so >>>>>>>>> it really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it >>>>>>>>> seemed kind of buggy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really >>>>>>>>>> worked all that well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up >>>>>>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of * Carl >>>>>>>>>> Peterson >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from >>>>>>>>>> the GBE Plus and the AF60LR. All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz >>>>>>>>>> backup >>>>>>>>>> of some sort. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and >>>>>>>>>> they seem solid for short links with easy aim. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow >>>>>>>>>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use >>>>>>>>>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so >>>>>>>>>> you can >>>>>>>>>> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with >>>>>>>>>> rain fade, >>>>>>>>>> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> works a lot better, since you have more signal to work with. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is that the only extra magic in the LR? They claim 12KM vs 2KM. >>>>>>>>>> I would never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. >>>>>>>>>> Ubiquiti AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because >>>>>>>>>> it can >>>>>>>>>> use the higher channels. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm >>>>>>>>>> during clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these >>>>>>>>>> things do a >>>>>>>>>> ton of bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain >>>>>>>>>> unless >>>>>>>>>> it’s really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s >>>>>>>>>> still in >>>>>>>>>> the mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but >>>>>>>>>> traffic >>>>>>>>>> drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing 1.3km, much >>>>>>>>>> worse in >>>>>>>>>> heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when it’s not raining, >>>>>>>>>> surprisingly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor >>>>>>>>>> so ive never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of >>>>>>>>>> fade are >>>>>>>>>> we talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour? >>>>>>>>>> > We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need >>>>>>>>>> more capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood >>>>>>>>>> the 60 >>>>>>>>>> ghz ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup >>>>>>>>>> canoe >>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>> > AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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