the mikrotik one is no good, doesnt give any detail to the profile On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:55 PM Jay Weekley <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is there an online link planner for 11 GHz? > > Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > At these frequencies beamforming with a dish works very well. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Feb 22, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Craig Baird via AF <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Okay, good. That's exactly what I did. I assumed the beamforming > >> capability was limited to the non-dish models. I didn't think you > >> could beamform when a dish is involved, so this is good to know. Thanks! > >> > >> Craig > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:42 AM Steve Jones > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> That sounds like aligning the free space optics without the auto > >> adjust shut off > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 9:33 AM Mathew Howard <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> I've found that it works best to just align them visually > >> using the little plastic sight that comes with them. It > >> doesn't really work very will to use signal level to align > >> the Mikrotik 60ghz stuff, because of the beam forming... the > >> arrows work fairly well, but it does seem to be almost > >> impossible to get it right on using those. The beam > >> forming does seem to work pretty well on them though, so they > >> don't need to be terribly precise... it's not at all like > >> trying to align something like the Ignitenets. > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 9:20 AM Craig Baird > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> I'm wondering if any of you have pointers for aligning > >> these things. Do you just use the little arrow LEDs on > >> the radio? I tried doing that but never could get them to > >> all go out. When an arrow would light up, I'd move it > >> that direction (very slowly), but I'd invariably > >> overshoot, and the opposite arrow would come on, or in > >> some cases, while adjusting horizontally, I'd suddenly > >> get a vertical arrow lighting up that wasn't there > >> before. I finally gave up and left it with a couple > >> arrows on. It's running at full capacity, but if the > >> signal isn't maxed out, I worry what will happen when > >> there's a downpour. Any advice? > >> > >> Craig > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 1:52 PM Mathew Howard > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> I'll have to look at them again, but I think the > >> mounts are basically the same as the solid mounts for > >> the old wireless wire dishes. I haven't had any > >> problems with the alignment adjuster screws seizing > >> on any of those, and I've used quite a few of them, > >> but the u-bolts can certainly be a problem... But > >> that's easily fixed by just replacing the nuts with > >> something other than stainless. I've gotten into the > >> habit of just automatically replacing the nuts any > >> time I see stainless hardware, or greasing it, if I > >> have to. > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 7:34 PM Steve Jones > >> <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> Did you use 320? Are they as bad as those at > >> seizing? > >> If it's like that I dont care how good the gear > >> is I wont buy another. I dont like staff having > >> to use angle grinders in field. > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 3:45 PM Craig Baird > >> <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik > >> variant, you're talking about the nRay. I > >> just picked up a pair of those for a link of > >> about 250 ft. One issue I had with them is > >> that the mount is all stainless steel > >> hardware, and about 10 minutes after slightly > >> tightening everything up, I found all the > >> nuts were seized and I could no longer loosen > >> it without breaking bolts. Even the alignment > >> adjuster screws have this issue. I noticed > >> everything was stainless before I started > >> installing and should have just waited until > >> I could get some non-stainless nuts to > >> replace the stainless ones. But being the > >> impatient idiot that I am, I decided I just > >> wouldn't tighten them down too much, and then > >> I'd pick up new hardware the next time I came > >> back. Now, I'm looking at having to buy new > >> mounts for both ends. Why do manufacturers > >> use all stainless hardware? When I owned my > >> WISP, we had this issue way back in the > >> SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like > >> manufacturers should know better. > >> > >> Craig > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard > >> <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to > >> align of any of the 60ghz stuff I've > >> tried, and I think they're probably the > >> most reliable too. I have a set of the > >> new variant sitting here, and they look > >> to be an improvement, but I haven't tried > >> them yet. They would be my first choice > >> for super short links. > >> > >> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, > >> but unfortunately it looks like they only > >> support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which > >> means they won't have significantly > >> different range than the Mikrotiks, but > >> if you need more than 1 gig, they're > >> likely the best thing out there at the > >> moment. > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones > >> <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> We ordered the newer variant of the > >> wireless wire today, we will see how > >> it goes. We are waiting to see how > >> the cambium product does and plan on > >> using the extensively for short short > >> stuff, we have an odd number of banks > >> with remote drivethroughs very nearby. > >> > >> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those > >> incidental ones we dealt with had > >> killed one of our POPs off and on, > >> the operator had the apparent default > >> 5ghz backup enabled and it was > >> misaligned so it would sporadically > >> trash 5ghz, noisy useless bastards > >> that they are > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew > >> Howard <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> The 5ghz backup would have been > >> pretty useless on longer links. > >> The problem is that it has tiny > >> antennas (8dbi, if I remember > >> right)... so it really only > >> worked for really short links > >> anyway, and even then, it seemed > >> kind of buggy. > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM > >> Sterling Jacobson > >> <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > >> > >> It’s wise of them to have > >> dropped 5GHz because it never > >> really worked all that well. > >> > >> The radios/antennas didn’t > >> seem to be made for it and it > >> ends up causing more issues > >> than it solves IMO. > >> > >> *From:* AF > >> <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected] > >> > >> *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson > >> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, > >> 2021 2:50 PM > >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave > >> Users Group <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] > >> Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km > >> > >> Seems strange to me that they > >> dropped the 5GHz backup radio > >> from the GBE Plus and > >> the AF60LR. All the other > >> 60GHz radios have a 5GHz > >> backup of some sort. > >> > >> We have installed a number of > >> the little 60GHz GBE radios > >> and they seem solid for short > >> links with easy aim. > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 > >> PM Mathew Howard > >> <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> > >> wrote: > >> > >> I think they claim their > >> "Wave AI" feature is > >> supposed to somehow > >> magically make long links > >> work better... but yeah, > >> being able to use > >> 66-70ghz behaves more > >> like 70/80ghz than the > >> lower 60ghz band, so you > >> can do much longer > >> distances... you still > >> have the same problem > >> with rain fade, but even > >> on something like a 1 > >> mile link that will work > >> at 64-65ghz, it works a > >> lot better, since you > >> have more signal to work > >> with. > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at > >> 3:11 PM Carl Peterson > >> <[email protected] > >> <mailto: > [email protected]>> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Is that the only > >> extra magic in the > >> LR? They claim 12KM > >> vs 2KM. I would > >> never try 12 but I'm > >> tempted to go for up > >> to 3. > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 > >> at 3:02 PM Mathew > >> Howard > >> <[email protected] > >> <mailto: > [email protected]>> > >> wrote: > >> > >> At 1km it won't > >> drop much, but it > >> will still drop > >> occasionally. > >> Ubiquiti AF60LR > >> will do a bit > >> better than the > >> other options, > >> because it can > >> use the higher > >> channels. > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 19, > >> 2021, 2:16 PM Dev > >> < > [email protected] > >> <mailto: > [email protected]>> > >> wrote: > >> > >> 700 meter > >> Ignitenet > >> MetroLinq > >> PTP60-35 > >> running > >> around -48dbm > >> during clear > >> day says it > >> will do > >> >2.5Gbps with > >> this RSSI, > >> these things > >> do a ton of > >> bandwidth. It > >> hangs in > >> there > >> surprisingly > >> well during > >> rain unless > >> it’s really > >> DUMPING rain. > >> I think > >> during normal > >> or heavy rain > >> it’s still in > >> the mid to > >> high 50’s. > >> Doesn’t seem > >> to use the > >> 5GHz backup > >> much, but > >> traffic drops > >> off fast when > >> you do. I > >> have another > >> link doing > >> 1.3km, much > >> worse in > >> heavy rain, > >> but very > >> impressive > >> throughput > >> when it’s not > >> raining, > >> surprisingly. > >> > >> > On Feb 19, > >> 2021, at > >> 11:51 AM, > >> Steve Jones > >> < > [email protected] > >> <mailto: > [email protected]>> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > We havent > >> dealt with > >> 60ghz other > >> than as an > >> outside > >> contractor so > >> ive never > >> looked at > >> performance > >> directly. At > >> 1 km what > >> kind of fade > >> are we > >> talking in a > >> normal rain > >> shower, and > >> in a downpour? > >> > We have had > >> pretty good > >> luck with > >> af24 over the > >> years but > >> need more > >> capacity, the > >> fade in 60ghz > >> concerns me, > >> and I never > >> understood > >> the 60 ghz > >> ones with > >> 5ghz backup. > >> its like a > >> cruise ship > >> having a > >> backup canoe > >> > -- > >> > AF mailing > list > >> > > >> [email protected] > >> <mailto: > [email protected]> > >> > > >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> <mailto: > [email protected]> > >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> <mailto: > [email protected]> > >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Carl Peterson > >> > >> *PORT NETWORKS* > >> > >> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > >> > >> Baltimore, MD 21202 > >> > >> (410) 637-3707 > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected] > > > >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Carl Peterson > >> > >> *PORT NETWORKS* > >> > >> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > >> > >> Baltimore, MD 21202 > >> > >> (410) 637-3707 > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] > > > >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > *Jay Weekley* > *Cyber Broadband > * > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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