I'll have to look at them again, but I think the mounts are basically the same as the solid mounts for the old wireless wire dishes. I haven't had any problems with the alignment adjuster screws seizing on any of those, and I've used quite a few of them, but the u-bolts can certainly be a problem... But that's easily fixed by just replacing the nuts with something other than stainless. I've gotten into the habit of just automatically replacing the nuts any time I see stainless hardware, or greasing it, if I have to.
On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 7:34 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > Did you use 320? Are they as bad as those at seizing? > If it's like that I dont care how good the gear is I wont buy another. I > dont like staff having to use angle grinders in field. > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 3:45 PM Craig Baird <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant, you're talking about the >> nRay. I just picked up a pair of those for a link of about 250 ft. One >> issue I had with them is that the mount is all stainless steel hardware, >> and about 10 minutes after slightly tightening everything up, I found all >> the nuts were seized and I could no longer loosen it without breaking >> bolts. Even the alignment adjuster screws have this issue. I noticed >> everything was stainless before I started installing and should have just >> waited until I could get some non-stainless nuts to replace the stainless >> ones. But being the impatient idiot that I am, I decided I just wouldn't >> tighten them down too much, and then I'd pick up new hardware the next time >> I came back. Now, I'm looking at having to buy new mounts for both ends. >> Why do manufacturers use all stainless hardware? When I owned my WISP, we >> had this issue way back in the SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like >> manufacturers should know better. >> >> Craig >> >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz stuff >>> I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I have a >>> set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an improvement, >>> but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice for super short >>> links. >>> >>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks like >>> they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't have >>> significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need more than >>> 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see >>>> how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan on >>>> using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of banks >>>> with remote drivethroughs very nearby. >>>> >>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had >>>> killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default >>>> 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash >>>> 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The >>>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it >>>>> really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it seemed >>>>> kind of buggy. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked >>>>>> all that well. >>>>>> >>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up >>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the >>>>>> GBE Plus and the AF60LR. All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup >>>>>> of >>>>>> some sort. >>>>>> >>>>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they >>>>>> seem solid for short links with easy aim. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow >>>>>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use >>>>>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you can >>>>>> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain >>>>>> fade, >>>>>> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, it >>>>>> works a lot better, since you have more signal to work with. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that the only extra magic in the LR? They claim 12KM vs 2KM. I >>>>>> would never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. >>>>>> Ubiquiti AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it >>>>>> can >>>>>> use the higher channels. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during >>>>>> clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton >>>>>> of >>>>>> bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s >>>>>> really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in >>>>>> the >>>>>> mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic >>>>>> drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse >>>>>> in >>>>>> heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when it’s not raining, >>>>>> surprisingly. >>>>>> >>>>>> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so >>>>>> ive never looked at performance directly. 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