At these frequencies beamforming with a dish works very well. Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 22, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Craig Baird via AF <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Okay, good. That's exactly what I did. I assumed the beamforming capability > was limited to the non-dish models. I didn't think you could beamform when a > dish is involved, so this is good to know. Thanks! > > Craig > >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:42 AM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> That sounds like aligning the free space optics without the auto adjust shut >> off >> >>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 9:33 AM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I've found that it works best to just align them visually using the little >>> plastic sight that comes with them. It doesn't really work very will to use >>> signal level to align the Mikrotik 60ghz stuff, because of the beam >>> forming... the arrows work fairly well, but it does seem to be almost >>> impossible to get it right on using those. The beam forming does seem to >>> work pretty well on them though, so they don't need to be terribly >>> precise... it's not at all like trying to align something like the >>> Ignitenets. >>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 9:20 AM Craig Baird <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I'm wondering if any of you have pointers for aligning these things. Do >>>> you just use the little arrow LEDs on the radio? I tried doing that but >>>> never could get them to all go out. When an arrow would light up, I'd move >>>> it that direction (very slowly), but I'd invariably overshoot, and the >>>> opposite arrow would come on, or in some cases, while adjusting >>>> horizontally, I'd suddenly get a vertical arrow lighting up that wasn't >>>> there before. I finally gave up and left it with a couple arrows on. It's >>>> running at full capacity, but if the signal isn't maxed out, I worry what >>>> will happen when there's a downpour. Any advice? >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 1:52 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> I'll have to look at them again, but I think the mounts are basically the >>>>> same as the solid mounts for the old wireless wire dishes. I haven't had >>>>> any problems with the alignment adjuster screws seizing on any of those, >>>>> and I've used quite a few of them, but the u-bolts can certainly be a >>>>> problem... But that's easily fixed by just replacing the nuts with >>>>> something other than stainless. I've gotten into the habit of just >>>>> automatically replacing the nuts any time I see stainless hardware, or >>>>> greasing it, if I have to. >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 7:34 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Did you use 320? Are they as bad as those at seizing? >>>>>> If it's like that I dont care how good the gear is I wont buy another. I >>>>>> dont like staff having to use angle grinders in field. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 3:45 PM Craig Baird <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant, you're talking about >>>>>>> the nRay. I just picked up a pair of those for a link of about 250 ft. >>>>>>> One issue I had with them is that the mount is all stainless steel >>>>>>> hardware, and about 10 minutes after slightly tightening everything up, >>>>>>> I found all the nuts were seized and I could no longer loosen it >>>>>>> without breaking bolts. Even the alignment adjuster screws have this >>>>>>> issue. I noticed everything was stainless before I started installing >>>>>>> and should have just waited until I could get some non-stainless nuts >>>>>>> to replace the stainless ones. But being the impatient idiot that I am, >>>>>>> I decided I just wouldn't tighten them down too much, and then I'd pick >>>>>>> up new hardware the next time I came back. Now, I'm looking at having >>>>>>> to buy new mounts for both ends. Why do manufacturers use all stainless >>>>>>> hardware? When I owned my WISP, we had this issue way back in the >>>>>>> SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like manufacturers should know >>>>>>> better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Craig >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz >>>>>>>> stuff I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. >>>>>>>> I have a set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an >>>>>>>> improvement, but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first >>>>>>>> choice for super short links. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks >>>>>>>> like they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they >>>>>>>> won't have significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if >>>>>>>> you need more than 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at >>>>>>>> the moment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see >>>>>>>>> how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and >>>>>>>>> plan on using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd >>>>>>>>> number of banks with remote drivethroughs very nearby. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had >>>>>>>>> killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent >>>>>>>>> default 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would >>>>>>>>> sporadically trash 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The >>>>>>>>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... >>>>>>>>>> so it really only worked for really short links anyway, and even >>>>>>>>>> then, it seemed kind of buggy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really >>>>>>>>>>> worked all that well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up >>>>>>>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from >>>>>>>>>>> the GBE Plus and the AF60LR. All the other 60GHz radios have a >>>>>>>>>>> 5GHz backup of some sort. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they >>>>>>>>>>> seem solid for short links with easy aim. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow >>>>>>>>>>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to >>>>>>>>>>> use 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, >>>>>>>>>>> so you can do much longer distances... you still have the same >>>>>>>>>>> problem with rain fade, but even on something like a 1 mile link >>>>>>>>>>> that will work at 64-65ghz, it works a lot better, since you have >>>>>>>>>>> more signal to work with. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is that the only extra magic in the LR? They claim 12KM vs 2KM. I >>>>>>>>>>> would never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. >>>>>>>>>>> Ubiquiti AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, >>>>>>>>>>> because it can use the higher channels. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during >>>>>>>>>>> clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do >>>>>>>>>>> a ton of bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain >>>>>>>>>>> unless it’s really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy >>>>>>>>>>> rain it’s still in the mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the >>>>>>>>>>> 5GHz backup much, but traffic drops off fast when you do. I have >>>>>>>>>>> another link doing 1.3km, much worse in heavy rain, but very >>>>>>>>>>> impressive throughput when it’s not raining, surprisingly. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so >>>>>>>>>>> > ive never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of >>>>>>>>>>> > fade are we talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour? >>>>>>>>>>> > We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need >>>>>>>>>>> > more capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never >>>>>>>>>>> > understood the 60 ghz ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise >>>>>>>>>>> > ship having a backup canoe >>>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>>> > AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> PORT NETWORKS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> PORT NETWORKS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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