That sounds like aligning the free space optics without the auto adjust shut off
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 9:33 AM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > I've found that it works best to just align them visually using the little > plastic sight that comes with them. It doesn't really work very will to use > signal level to align the Mikrotik 60ghz stuff, because of the beam > forming... the arrows work fairly well, but it does seem to be almost > impossible to get it right on using those. The beam forming does seem to > work pretty well on them though, so they don't need to be terribly > precise... it's not at all like trying to align something like the > Ignitenets. > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 9:20 AM Craig Baird <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm wondering if any of you have pointers for aligning these things. Do >> you just use the little arrow LEDs on the radio? I tried doing that but >> never could get them to all go out. When an arrow would light up, I'd move >> it that direction (very slowly), but I'd invariably overshoot, and the >> opposite arrow would come on, or in some cases, while adjusting >> horizontally, I'd suddenly get a vertical arrow lighting up that wasn't >> there before. I finally gave up and left it with a couple arrows on. It's >> running at full capacity, but if the signal isn't maxed out, I worry what >> will happen when there's a downpour. Any advice? >> >> Craig >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 1:52 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I'll have to look at them again, but I think the mounts are basically >>> the same as the solid mounts for the old wireless wire dishes. I haven't >>> had any problems with the alignment adjuster screws seizing on any of >>> those, and I've used quite a few of them, but the u-bolts can certainly be >>> a problem... But that's easily fixed by just replacing the nuts with >>> something other than stainless. I've gotten into the habit of just >>> automatically replacing the nuts any time I see stainless hardware, or >>> greasing it, if I have to. >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 7:34 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Did you use 320? Are they as bad as those at seizing? >>>> If it's like that I dont care how good the gear is I wont buy another. >>>> I dont like staff having to use angle grinders in field. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 3:45 PM Craig Baird <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant, you're talking about >>>>> the nRay. I just picked up a pair of those for a link of about 250 ft. One >>>>> issue I had with them is that the mount is all stainless steel hardware, >>>>> and about 10 minutes after slightly tightening everything up, I found all >>>>> the nuts were seized and I could no longer loosen it without breaking >>>>> bolts. Even the alignment adjuster screws have this issue. I noticed >>>>> everything was stainless before I started installing and should have just >>>>> waited until I could get some non-stainless nuts to replace the stainless >>>>> ones. But being the impatient idiot that I am, I decided I just wouldn't >>>>> tighten them down too much, and then I'd pick up new hardware the next >>>>> time >>>>> I came back. Now, I'm looking at having to buy new mounts for both ends. >>>>> Why do manufacturers use all stainless hardware? When I owned my WISP, we >>>>> had this issue way back in the SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like >>>>> manufacturers should know better. >>>>> >>>>> Craig >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz >>>>>> stuff I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I >>>>>> have a set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an >>>>>> improvement, but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice >>>>>> for super short links. >>>>>> >>>>>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks >>>>>> like they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't >>>>>> have significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need >>>>>> more >>>>>> than 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see >>>>>>> how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and >>>>>>> plan on >>>>>>> using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of >>>>>>> banks >>>>>>> with remote drivethroughs very nearby. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with >>>>>>> had killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent >>>>>>> default 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would >>>>>>> sporadically >>>>>>> trash 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The >>>>>>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it >>>>>>>> seemed >>>>>>>> kind of buggy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really >>>>>>>>> worked all that well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up >>>>>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from >>>>>>>>> the GBE Plus and the AF60LR. All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz >>>>>>>>> backup >>>>>>>>> of some sort. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they >>>>>>>>> seem solid for short links with easy aim. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow >>>>>>>>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use >>>>>>>>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain >>>>>>>>> fade, >>>>>>>>> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> works a lot better, since you have more signal to work with. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is that the only extra magic in the LR? They claim 12KM vs 2KM. >>>>>>>>> I would never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. >>>>>>>>> Ubiquiti AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because >>>>>>>>> it can >>>>>>>>> use the higher channels. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm >>>>>>>>> during clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these >>>>>>>>> things do a >>>>>>>>> ton of bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain >>>>>>>>> unless >>>>>>>>> it’s really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s >>>>>>>>> still in >>>>>>>>> the mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but >>>>>>>>> traffic >>>>>>>>> drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing 1.3km, much >>>>>>>>> worse in >>>>>>>>> heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when it’s not raining, >>>>>>>>> surprisingly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor >>>>>>>>> so ive never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of >>>>>>>>> fade are >>>>>>>>> we talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour? >>>>>>>>> > We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need >>>>>>>>> more capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood >>>>>>>>> the 60 >>>>>>>>> ghz ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup >>>>>>>>> canoe >>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>> > AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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