But Chuck,
We live in a world now that someone is always to blame. That's what
the foundation of social media is!
On 12/2/21 9:50 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
So, what does jail time fix? A deterrent? Sending a message? A
spanking for bad humans?
This was an accident. My wife wrecked a car 20 years ago and one of
my sons died. Should she have been put in jail? Accidents happen.
The family has civil remedies because money is the only thing the
legal system can do to attempt to make one whole.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, December 2, 2021 10:43 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin
firearm safety is a universal applied universally to firearms. There
is no different level of safety for different people. A firearms
inherent danger doesnt lessen depending on where its used (maybe
around flammable gasses). I hate cop out excuses for mishandling
firearms. Thats how we have gotten to a point where people are afraid
of an inanimate object.
Now, putting a firearm in a morons hand like alec baldwin adds to the
inherent danger, but thats beyond the basic principles of firearm
safety (the ones that dont change)
Multiple people need to see some jail time, starting with the person
operating the firearm, thats the person ultimately responsible. The
armorer, unless she can prove her sabatoge claim, needs to be in a
cell. the guy who picked it up and gave it to the moron is just as
culpable as twerp baldwin. Maybe they can be cellmates and split their
time with shower bubba.
This is a perfect example of why rule 1 exists, willfull ignorance of
that is called negligence.
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 11:12 AM Daniel White <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm nervous around anyone with a firearm because on principle I
trust no one. I trust no firearm is unloaded unless I maintain
possession and cleared it myself. Active Duty/former military is
mostly an exception since you act without respect there you can
expect to have your face in the dirt pretty quick.
I get though that you can't expect actors to know all the firearms
they handle. The system they use is supposed to have multiple
fail safes so that the actor doesn't need to be a weapons expert.
I think the system works considering how few on set accidents have
happened... and obviously procedure wasn't followed here.
As I said, I think Alec is in some serious trouble as a
producer... but I doubt anything will happen criminally in regards
to him pulling the trigger.
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Bill Prince
December 2, 2021 at 09:55
You and me both. When I'm in the presence of people who (I feel)
are a bit too cavalier with a firearm, I get very nervous, and my
natural instinct is to get the hell away from that person. I was
taught to treat every firearm as if it is loaded. My bolt action
rifle, I keep the bolt stored separate from the rifle. I don't
put it in until I am ready to use it.
bp
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On 12/2/2021 7:46 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Chuck McCown via AF
December 2, 2021 at 08:46
One junk news article has another person on the set saying his
finger was on the trigger guard.
Whether single or double action, a revolver takes some force to
fire.
I supposed if it was fully cocked and adjusted to have a hair
trigger it is possible to be extra easy to touch off.
I just cannot imagine someone handing me a firearm expecting me
to wave it around in the general direction of people and me not
checking it first. I would never trust someone’s word on that.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, December 2, 2021 8:28 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin
From where I'm sitting there had to be multiple screw ups. First
is the security of the weapons. Based on what I've read (and I
don't know how much of it is true), the weapons were on a table;
they had been used for "target practice" during breaks; the
armorer had declared them to be "cold" (in my mind that means
there is nothing in the chambers; not blanks, not anything).
If it was a dress rehearsal, I would expect that there were
multiple cameras running. Digital film does not cost enough to
matter, and it can be used to determine if they're getting the
shots they want.
bp
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Bill Prince
December 2, 2021 at 08:28
From where I'm sitting there had to be multiple screw ups. First
is the security of the weapons. Based on what I've read (and I
don't know how much of it is true), the weapons were on a table;
they had been used for "target practice" during breaks; the
armorer had declared them to be "cold" (in my mind that means
there is nothing in the chambers; not blanks, not anything).
If it was a dress rehearsal, I would expect that there were
multiple cameras running. Digital film does not cost enough to
matter, and it can be used to determine if they're getting the
shots they want.
bp
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On 12/2/2021 5:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Mike Hammett
December 2, 2021 at 06:31
Something a lot of people are leaving out is that movie set gun
safety is likely quite different than real life gun safety.
Likely, the same rules don't apply in both scenarios.
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*From: *"Steve Jones" mailto:[email protected]
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:[email protected]
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:55:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin
Amazing how less dead that lady would be if this guy wasnt
handling a magic gun pointing it at people on a scene that had no
call to point at people in an industry where you dont point
firearms at people with a firearm you dont point at anything
youre not prepared to destroy... but sure, he didnt pull the
trigger. Totally trust a mope who beats people up over parking spots
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December 1, 2021 at 19:55
Amazing how less dead that lady would be if this guy wasnt
handling a magic gun pointing it at people on a scene that had no
call to point at people in an industry where you dont point
firearms at people with a firearm you dont point at anything
youre not prepared to destroy... but sure, he didnt pull the
trigger. Totally trust a mope who beats people up over parking spots
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