Personally, I think all these calls for changes to how the film industry handles weapons safety, banning guns from sets, etc. are more than likely completely unnecessary. It appears to me that they already have pretty strict safety procedures, which seem to have worked pretty well for the last century or so. If the reports that the safety procedures were repeatedly violated on that set are true (to the point people were walking off the set because they thought it was unsafe), that's the problem. The people that ignored the rules and procedures need to be held accountable, one way or another. Throwing a few people in prison is going to be pretty effective at making sure the rules are followed in the future. Monetary loss, which probably won't even significantly hurt the lackeys that are probably actually responsible (aside from Baldwin himself) isn't going to have the same effect.
Accidents happen, and sometimes they're unavoidable, but this isn't just a simple accident. This couldn't have happened if certain people had actually done their job. I don't think it's terribly unreasonable to hand a gun to some idiot actor and tell him to do whatever he needs to do with it, even if he's clueless and might violate every aspect of standard firearms safety - provided that gun passed through the hands of several other people who know what they're doing and verified there was no way it could hurt anybody. On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 11:51 AM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote: > So, what does jail time fix? A deterrent? Sending a message? A spanking > for bad humans? > > This was an accident. My wife wrecked a car 20 years ago and one of my > sons died. Should she have been put in jail? Accidents happen. > > The family has civil remedies because money is the only thing the legal > system can do to attempt to make one whole. > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, December 2, 2021 10:43 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin > > firearm safety is a universal applied universally to firearms. There is no > different level of safety for different people. A firearms inherent danger > doesnt lessen depending on where its used (maybe around flammable gasses). > I hate cop out excuses for mishandling firearms. Thats how we have gotten > to a point where people are afraid of an inanimate object. > Now, putting a firearm in a morons hand like alec baldwin adds to the > inherent danger, but thats beyond the basic principles of firearm safety > (the ones that dont change) > > Multiple people need to see some jail time, starting with the person > operating the firearm, thats the person ultimately responsible. The > armorer, unless she can prove her sabatoge claim, needs to be in a cell. > the guy who picked it up and gave it to the moron is just as culpable as > twerp baldwin. Maybe they can be cellmates and split their time with shower > bubba. > > This is a perfect example of why rule 1 exists, willfull ignorance of that > is called negligence. > > On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 11:12 AM Daniel White <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm nervous around anyone with a firearm because on principle I trust no >> one. I trust no firearm is unloaded unless I maintain possession and >> cleared it myself. Active Duty/former military is mostly an exception >> since you act without respect there you can expect to have your face in the >> dirt pretty quick. >> >> I get though that you can't expect actors to know all the firearms they >> handle. The system they use is supposed to have multiple fail safes so >> that the actor doesn't need to be a weapons expert. I think the system >> works considering how few on set accidents have happened... and obviously >> procedure wasn't followed here. >> >> As I said, I think Alec is in some serious trouble as a producer... but I >> doubt anything will happen criminally in regards to him pulling the trigger. >> >> [image: photograph] >> Daniel White >> Co-Founder >> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 >> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 >> >> Bill Prince >> December 2, 2021 at 09:55 >> >> You and me both. When I'm in the presence of people who (I feel) are a >> bit too cavalier with a firearm, I get very nervous, and my natural >> instinct is to get the hell away from that person. I was taught to treat >> every firearm as if it is loaded. My bolt action rifle, I keep the bolt >> stored separate from the rifle. I don't put it in until I am ready to use >> it. >> >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> On 12/2/2021 7:46 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> >> >> Chuck McCown via AF >> December 2, 2021 at 08:46 >> One junk news article has another person on the set saying his finger was >> on the trigger guard. >> Whether single or double action, a revolver takes some force to fire. >> I supposed if it was fully cocked and adjusted to have a hair trigger it >> is possible to be extra easy to touch off. >> >> I just cannot imagine someone handing me a firearm expecting me to wave >> it around in the general direction of people and me not checking it first. >> I would never trust someone’s word on that. >> >> *From:* Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 2, 2021 8:28 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin >> >> >> From where I'm sitting there had to be multiple screw ups. First is the >> security of the weapons. Based on what I've read (and I don't know how much >> of it is true), the weapons were on a table; they had been used for "target >> practice" during breaks; the armorer had declared them to be "cold" (in my >> mind that means there is nothing in the chambers; not blanks, not >> anything). >> >> >> >> If it was a dress rehearsal, I would expect that there were multiple >> cameras running. Digital film does not cost enough to matter, and it can be >> used to determine if they're getting the shots they want. >> >> >> >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> On 12/2/2021 5:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> Bill Prince >> December 2, 2021 at 08:28 >> >> From where I'm sitting there had to be multiple screw ups. First is the >> security of the weapons. Based on what I've read (and I don't know how much >> of it is true), the weapons were on a table; they had been used for "target >> practice" during breaks; the armorer had declared them to be "cold" (in my >> mind that means there is nothing in the chambers; not blanks, not >> anything). >> >> >> >> If it was a dress rehearsal, I would expect that there were multiple >> cameras running. Digital film does not cost enough to matter, and it can be >> used to determine if they're getting the shots they want. >> >> >> >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> On 12/2/2021 5:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> >> Mike Hammett >> December 2, 2021 at 06:31 >> Something a lot of people are leaving out is that movie set gun safety is >> likely quite different than real life gun safety. 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Totally trust a mope who beats people up >> over parking spots >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> Steve Jones >> December 1, 2021 at 19:55 >> Amazing how less dead that lady would be if this guy wasnt handling a >> magic gun pointing it at people on a scene that had no call to point at >> people in an industry where you dont point firearms at people with a >> firearm you dont point at anything youre not prepared to destroy... but >> sure, he didnt pull the trigger. Totally trust a mope who beats people up >> over parking spots >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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