There are also a bunch of real life tests published on Youtube. Seems like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain...

On 2/14/22 09:56, li...@gogebicrange.net wrote:
Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience with the EV’s Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We have often wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F and how it affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common for us in January and February.

Thanks,

Brandon

*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
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It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the battery tech gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel.

bp

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On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

    Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs are also
    better at torque than diesel and gasoline.

    Where they don't shine is range when actually working.



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    It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent to 1 gallon
    of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with 60-80 KWH
    batteries are running a couple hundred miles (or more) on the rough
    equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas.

    bp

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    On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

        The funny thing is that while diesel has superior performance to
        gasoline in many ways, EVs have superior performance to diesel
        in many ways.

        Kinda ironic...



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        It's called "rolling coal", and it is all the rage for people
        who think EVs are the devil's spawn.

        bp

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        On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:

            In the past year I've observed that agressive driving seems
            to be the norm now.  More assholes, especially pickups using
            farm diesel (black-foul-smelling-smoke).  I been thinking of
            investing in a stash of bumper stickers to stick on their
            trucks that says "shoot me please".

            On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote:

                Its possible that with the lower threshold more folks
                were able to be arrested before they couldgo fora
                croaker cruise.

                Its more probable though that ride sharing grew during
                that period and the generation of party drinkers used it
                more as a matter of trend.

                Drinking establishments being closed or otherwise
                inaccessible due to the rona too probably playeda huge
                role, like the seeming disappearance of flu.

                On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF
                <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

                    During Covid, in Utah, there have been the highest
                    rate of deaths ever recorded due to car crashes.

                    Meanwhile, at approximately the same time another
                    experiment was running.

                    Late 2018 Utah lowered the blood alcohol level for
                    driving from .08 to .05%.

                    Many, including myself, figured that there would not
                    be a significant difference.

                    But I also commented at the time that this one will
                    be easy to prove or disprove.

                    Deaths and crashes linked to drunken driving dropped
                    by 19.8% since the law took effect.  I think one
                    could say that is statistically significant.  Glad I
                    was wrong.

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