The bank really hates you if you have no debt, can't get a loan if you
have no debt. My newest car is 22 years old. My other work truck is
54. My house is paid for. I'm thinking of putting in solar panels and
converting my 3rd car into an EV and eventually converting the house and
well to solar too. F*** the greedy power company and the rigged banks.
On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote:
Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. For me it's
not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one direction and then
back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to want to take a trip and covers
300 or more miles in that day on the long trip. I do not want to be limited to
250 miles before I have to stop for an extended period to recharge. Personally
that is a serious limit on my personal freedom of movement. For instance it's
not uncommon for spring or winter breaks to drive from upstate NY to Florida in
a single 24 hour period. When you only have a week for vacation tag team
driving to get there with a carload of people is still cheaper than try to fly
everyone. Also the restriction of being able to haul larger loads similarly are
a big limitation. Having a 27 foot camper to load the family up and take a
vacation is not possible with the current availability of EV's out there.
Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the actual cost of the
vehicles. New car prices are outrageous. Personally I like to buy used vehicles
with higher mileage and typically pay less than 10 grand(usually a lot less)
and pay cash for them. I haven't had a car payment in over 15 years and do not
want to be forced in to having to do so. With getting closer to retirement age
every year, I do not want to be forced in to incurring debt. For me the goal is
to be debt free, not have to fork over 30 grand or more just to be able to
continue to transport myself around. People making decisions like no more gas
engines for lawn mowers and such, they tend to live in some sort of state of
constant debt, if they are in government they have no concept of not being in
debt. Most will think I am crazy for thinking this way because society just
wants to accept that debt is a necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing
and converting to EV's and getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not
being fairly considered in the process.
Thank you,
Brian Webster
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From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
There are also a bunch of real life tests published on Youtube. Seems
like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain...
On 2/14/22 09:56, [email protected] wrote:
Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience with the EV’s
Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We have often
wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F and how it
affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common for us in
January and February.
Thanks,
Brandon
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*Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM
*To:* [email protected]
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It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the battery tech
gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel.
bp
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On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs are also
better at torque than diesel and gasoline.
Where they don't shine is range when actually working.
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It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent to 1 gallon
of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with 60-80 KWH
batteries are running a couple hundred miles (or more) on the rough
equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas.
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On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The funny thing is that while diesel has superior performance to
gasoline in many ways, EVs have superior performance to diesel
in many ways.
Kinda ironic...
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*Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 9:46:36 AM
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It's called "rolling coal", and it is all the rage for people
who think EVs are the devil's spawn.
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On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
In the past year I've observed that agressive driving seems
to be the norm now. More assholes, especially pickups using
farm diesel (black-foul-smelling-smoke). I been thinking of
investing in a stash of bumper stickers to stick on their
trucks that says "shoot me please".
On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote:
Its possible that with the lower threshold more folks
were able to be arrested before they couldgo fora
croaker cruise.
Its more probable though that ride sharing grew during
that period and the generation of party drinkers used it
more as a matter of trend.
Drinking establishments being closed or otherwise
inaccessible due to the rona too probably playeda huge
role, like the seeming disappearance of flu.
On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
During Covid, in Utah, there have been the highest
rate of deaths ever recorded due to car crashes.
Meanwhile, at approximately the same time another
experiment was running.
Late 2018 Utah lowered the blood alcohol level for
driving from .08 to .05%.
Many, including myself, figured that there would not
be a significant difference.
But I also commented at the time that this one will
be easy to prove or disprove.
Deaths and crashes linked to drunken driving dropped
by 19.8% since the law took effect. I think one
could say that is statistically significant. Glad I
was wrong.
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