This is a common misconception about our AI LLM’s. They don’t understand 
anything, they’re fundamentally just pattern matching.  If you ask an AI to 
write a program, it can do it only if you’re asking it about something which 
has  published solutions available that it can crib from.  If you were to train 
the model on the ANSI specs for C++ then it could produce some code based on 
examples provided in the text, but it doesn’t understand the logic.

Similarly I tried to train one using 40,000 pages of Nokia’s documentation.  It 
could answer questions about the text, but not answer most questions about 
using the Nokia product.  For example if I ask “how do I configure an OSPF 
interface” it can’t give a useful answer because although it can read the 
descriptions of the commands and parameters it can’t infer how to string them 
together.

See Builder.AI.  Turns out when you have AI write software then it stands for 
“All Indians”.


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groks got your back

im an expert in so much now thanks to grok

On Thu, Jun 5, 2025, 4:31 PM Mike Hammett 
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We'd probably be building from scratch since nothing we have now is 
intelligent, and then offering that solution as a service to others.




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put all your systems details into grok. Will probably spit out a good starter, 
maybe even an existing integration solution. If not, dump the API whitesheets 
from each product in and have grok write you a controller




On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:39 PM Mike Hammett < 
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Well, and that's what I'm trying to figure out.




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retrofit on this stuff would be a bear since all the involved systems would be 
proprietary. but then again API readi is more and more standard so maybe its 
nerd simple. Is there a commercial google home?


On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 7:59 AM Mike Hammett < 
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It started with lighting, but then expanded to HVAC, so I wondered what else is 
under the same umbrella... and what systems people use to manage this.




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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building Automation




Are you taking like hvac or lighting or....?


I run a building management system in the packetflux manufacturing facility but 
that's just so the correct resources (compressor, N2 generator, supplemental 
ventilation, etc. ) can be started based on the equipment being used. We also 
do some heat/hvac management so we don't have multiple systems compete with 
each other and so we can use the excess heat we produce, but this last is an 
ongoing work in progress.



- Forrest


On Wed, Jun 4, 2025, 10:06 PM Mike Hammett < 
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What have your experiences been with commercial building automation systems?




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