That might fit with my observations. Here's an example: If I ask an AI for an OSPF config for an Arista, it will give me a beautiful example, and yes even substitute my Area ID and IP address, but I recognize the example because it's the same one in the Arista online documentation. It just found that and adapted it. Nokia documentation requires a login to access, so they don't find it by crawling the web, and they don't usually provide thorough examples anyway. So when I ask it about OSPF config for a Nokia 7360 and I get a completely wrong answer. After some sleuthing, I realized it found an example for a different Nokia model which has different syntax.
So yeah, for Mikrotik I do believe it will find you lots of good answers because it can match examples and discussions on forums and blogs all over the place. That's still useful. For any kind of programming, it'll be the same situation. If you're asking about a common problem with well-known solutions, then it will find them and present them to you. That's useful. Just don't be fooled into thinking it can actually write code. With the current state of technology, you apparently need 400 engineers in India to be able to create the illusion that your AI can write code. -Adam ________________________________ From: AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Steve Jones <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 6, 2025 8:36 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building Automation It spits mikrotik configs out specific to my network and gives me sql queries for reporting out of our billing server all the time, but requires the proper input first. It may be that mikrotik specific documentation was part of its training set for OSPF configs but its got enough to bridge the v6/7 ospf gap. My biggest concern when I use it is whether or not its the most efficient configs/queries it spits out. Same would apply to an automation integration I had to rebuild my librenms instance on ubuntu and then instal and configure oxidized to pull mikrotik scripts. I sat there kicking screenshots of the output errors and copypasta the instructions from grok, it fixed all the errors at the end of the day and my router backups are pulling into librenms. It would have taken a person longer, but, assuming that person is an actual expert, all the side caveats would have been addressed, which i think your right, AI will never ave real intuitiveness to address On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 5:20 AM Adam Moffett <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: This is a common misconception about our AI LLM’s. They don’t understand anything, they’re fundamentally just pattern matching. If you ask an AI to write a program, it can do it only if you’re asking it about something which has published solutions available that it can crib from. If you were to train the model on the ANSI specs for C++ then it could produce some code based on examples provided in the text, but it doesn’t understand the logic. Similarly I tried to train one using 40,000 pages of Nokia’s documentation. It could answer questions about the text, but not answer most questions about using the Nokia product. For example if I ask “how do I configure an OSPF interface” it can’t give a useful answer because although it can read the descriptions of the commands and parameters it can’t infer how to string them together. See Builder.AI. Turns out when you have AI write software then it stands for “All Indians”. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: AF <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Steve Jones <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2025 6:03:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building Automation groks got your back im an expert in so much now thanks to grok On Thu, Jun 5, 2025, 4:31 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: We'd probably be building from scratch since nothing we have now is intelligent, and then offering that solution as a service to others. -- Mike Hammett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jones" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2025 4:23:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building Automation put all your systems details into grok. Will probably spit out a good starter, maybe even an existing integration solution. If not, dump the API whitesheets from each product in and have grok write you a controller On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:39 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Well, and that's what I'm trying to figure out. -- Mike Hammett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jones" < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2025 3:30:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building Automation retrofit on this stuff would be a bear since all the involved systems would be proprietary. but then again API readi is more and more standard so maybe its nerd simple. Is there a commercial google home? On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 7:59 AM Mike Hammett < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: It started with lighting, but then expanded to HVAC, so I wondered what else is under the same umbrella... and what systems people use to manage this. -- Mike Hammett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2025 6:12:20 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building Automation Are you taking like hvac or lighting or....? I run a building management system in the packetflux manufacturing facility but that's just so the correct resources (compressor, N2 generator, supplemental ventilation, etc. ) can be started based on the equipment being used. We also do some heat/hvac management so we don't have multiple systems compete with each other and so we can use the excess heat we produce, but this last is an ongoing work in progress. - Forrest On Wed, Jun 4, 2025, 10:06 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: What have your experiences been with commercial building automation systems? -- Mike Hammett -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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