Yemen has a 10 year old civil war, partly a proxy war between Iran and
the Saudis. Yemen was formed by the merger of North Yemen and South
Yemen, the latter was a former British colony.
The Houthis are technically a “movement” but they control the capital
and much of the territory and have their own government structure.
The internationally recognized and Saudi supported government moved to
Adan in the south after the Houthi revolution or coup. It looks to me
like the split might be roughly the former North Yemen under control
of the Houthis and the former South Yemen under control of the
internationally recognized government. I seem to remember that the
Houthis were threatening to take control of the whole country when the
Saudis intervened. But the Saudis were mainly just bombing stuff.
The Houthis are Iranian puppets so you could compare them to
Hezbollah, but maybe more like revolutionaries, they control a good
chunk of Yemen. Not nice people.
But Yemen is a mess. I think I read the British left because of
widespread terrorism and that was decades ago. If a giant sinkhole
swallowed the whole place, we would probably say good riddance.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 10:08 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific
Are the Houthis an actual country, or just another Al-Qaeda kind of group?
bp
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On 10/24/2025 7:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So are the Houthis justified sinking vessels in the Red Sea from
companies and countries that support Israel’s war in Gaza?
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 9:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
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The Daily had a really good bit on this yesterday. Not
particularly about blowing up boats but about the competing
interests in the Trump administration re Venezuela. It's a great
30 min listen.
Background: Maduro lost the last election in a landslide
(30%/70%) but refused to cede power.
TLDL:
Trump wanted to cut a deal and was working on it but Rubio won out
and is focused on regime change.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/podcasts/the-daily/us-venezuela-maduro-boat-attacks.html
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 9:33 PM Steve Jones
<[email protected]> wrote:
Heh
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025, 9:13 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]>
wrote:
Might be safer to have a Maple Leaf flag. You could
always run the stars and bars, at least they would presume
you would be armed and would fight.
*From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 7:41 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the
Pacific
So that American flag on the back is going to protect me
from the various other countries that decide to even up
the score?
On Oct 23, 2025, at 9:10 PM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected]> wrote:
Stop smuggling and you will be just fine….
*From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Mark
Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 6:57 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in
the Pacific
Someday I would really like to be able to sail around
the Caribbean and South America without having to
worry about being randomly blown out of the water for
no reason at all. “Well, the US said it was OK to kill
people in international waters”.
Mark
On Oct 23, 2025, at 1:31 AM, Jason McKemie
<[email protected]> wrote:
It seems very telling that when they blew up a
boat and people survived, they sent them back to
their home country vs prosecuting them. You can't
introduce that testimony into the public record.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 11:44 PM Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]> wrote:
Replying to myself, which is perhaps a sign I
should be in therapy, but I just realized one
reason why the Coast Guard is underappreciated
or at least unknown compared to Army, Navy,
Air Force and Marines. They are part of DHS
not DOD.
But now that DOD is calling itself the
Department of War, maybe DHS is just fine.
Although one is Hegseth and the other is Noem,
so flip a coin.
Coast Guard is also much smaller, has a
smaller budget, and a much smaller PR budget.
No money to toot their own horn.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf
Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 10:50 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up
boats in the Pacific
Yeah, but if it’s on the ocean, I’d prefer to
see a Hawaii Five 0 style chase. With
McGarrett in a speedboat, and at the end he
says “book ‘em, Danno”.
Besides, I think the Coasties are an
underappreciated branch of the US military.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf
Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 8:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up
boats in the Pacific
I prefer to see cartels bombed. When they
started moving the fent, they chose bombs. A
little nose candy here and there, some dope, a
little crystal, even some heroin was
manageable. But these ducks decided to move
shit that one mistake kills. Fuckbag dealers
are putting it it club drugs and on vicodins.
Kids don't have a chance to make a mistake.
Bomb the shit out of them. Sink their boats,
cut their life jackets, chum the waters, I
don't care as long as they die. They don't
want to give our kids a second chance, their
adults deserve as terrible a death as
possible. Idgaf about human rights, they
don't, and I have no interest in the high road.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM Dev
<[email protected]> wrote:
Turns out drug dealers sometimes get shot,
who knew? Maybe they were delivering
critical supplies to orphanages, because
speedboats with three engines mean urgent
care is being delivered expeditiously?
On Oct 22, 2025, at 3:03 PM, Ken
Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
Article on the latest generation of US
Coast Guard “Over The Horizon” boats.
https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat
Generally deployed from a ramp on the
back of a larger cutter along with
helicopters. These things vaguely
remind me of the WWII PT boats.
I would not want to try and outrun the
Coast Guard.
*From:* AF <[email protected]>
*On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025
4:24 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're
blowing up boats in the Pacific
Yes, and that's the primary argument
against this practice. If we have
solid intel that they're carrying
drugs, and we know where they are,
then as soon as they enter our
territorial waters we can board the
boat and arrest them. The Coast Guard
doesn't need a warrant or even a
specific reason to board a boat. Some
of those boats are faster than
Cutters, but I don't have solid info
on how often they actually escape when
they're already being tracked. It's
hard to imagine they really get away
often because the Coast Guard also has
helicopters, and they're allowed to
continue a pursuit into international
waters (and onto land) as long as the
pursuit started in US waters.
Regardless of how often they really
get away, it's not normal to blow up
someone's boat as a law enforcement
action. We also don't execute drug
traffickers, and even when the state
executes someone there's a trial first.
but.....
1. post-911 we treat foreign
terrorist organizations as enemy
combatants
1. the executive branch gets to
decide who counts as an FTO. The
sec of state, sec of treasury, and
attorney general all have to
agree, but they also all have the
same boss.
1. Nobody can really stop the
executive branch from declaring an
FTO.
1. Congress could pass a bill to
override someone's listing as
an FTO, but to date they've
never done it.
1. The courts could overturn an
FTO listing, but for a lot of
reasons it's almost impossible.
So effectively the President and/or
their cabinet has a completely legal
pathway to authorize military force
against just about anyone, and there's
very little anyone can do about it.
It's not that I have sympathy for drug
smugglers, it's that all we can do is
take someone's word for it that it was
a drug smuggler. If anyone is totally
comfortable with that then I'm curious
what your rationale is.
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*From:* AF <[email protected]>
on behalf of Ken Hohhof <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025
3:00 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] now we're blowing
up boats in the Pacific
_https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361
<https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361>_
I thought the Coast Guard was able to
intercept boats and board them, arrest
people and confiscate cargo. I seem
to remember they specifically acquired
high speed boats that were a match for
anything a drug runner might have.
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