Yemen has a 10 year old civil war, partly a proxy war between
Iran and the Saudis. Yemen was formed by the merger of North
Yemen and South Yemen, the latter was a former British colony.
The Houthis are technically a “movement” but they control the
capital and much of the territory and have their own government
structure. The internationally recognized and Saudi supported
government moved to Adan in the south after the Houthi revolution
or coup. It looks to me like the split might be roughly the
former North Yemen under control of the Houthis and the former
South Yemen under control of the internationally recognized
government. I seem to remember that the Houthis were threatening
to take control of the whole country when the Saudis intervened.
But the Saudis were mainly just bombing stuff.
The Houthis are Iranian puppets so you could compare them to
Hezbollah, but maybe more like revolutionaries, they control a
good chunk of Yemen. Not nice people.
But Yemen is a mess. I think I read the British left because of
widespread terrorism and that was decades ago. If a giant
sinkhole swallowed the whole place, we would probably say good
riddance.
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 10:08 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific
Are the Houthis an actual country, or just another Al-Qaeda kind
of group?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/24/2025 7:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So are the Houthis justified sinking vessels in the Red Sea
from companies and countries that support Israel’s war in Gaza?
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 9:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific
The Daily had a really good bit on this yesterday. Not
particularly about blowing up boats but about the competing
interests in the Trump administration re Venezuela. It's a
great 30 min listen.
Background: Maduro lost the last election in a landslide
(30%/70%) but refused to cede power.
TLDL:
Trump wanted to cut a deal and was working on it but Rubio
won out and is focused on regime change.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/podcasts/the-daily/us-venezuela-maduro-boat-attacks.html
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 9:33 PM Steve Jones
<[email protected]> wrote:
Heh
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025, 9:13 PM Chuck McCown
<[email protected]> wrote:
Might be safer to have a Maple Leaf flag. You could
always run the stars and bars, at least they would
presume you would be armed and would fight.
*From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf
Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 7:41 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in
the Pacific
So that American flag on the back is going to protect
me from the various other countries that decide to
even up the score?
On Oct 23, 2025, at 9:10 PM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected]> wrote:
Stop smuggling and you will be just fine….
*From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of
*Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 6:57 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats
in the Pacific
Someday I would really like to be able to sail
around the Caribbean and South America without
having to worry about being randomly blown out of
the water for no reason at all. “Well, the US
said it was OK to kill people in international
waters”.
Mark
On Oct 23, 2025, at 1:31 AM, Jason McKemie
<[email protected]> wrote:
It seems very telling that when they blew up
a boat and people survived, they sent them
back to their home country vs prosecuting
them. You can't introduce that testimony into
the public record.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 11:44 PM Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]> wrote:
Replying to myself, which is perhaps a
sign I should be in therapy, but I just
realized one reason why the Coast Guard
is underappreciated or at least unknown
compared to Army, Navy, Air Force and
Marines. They are part of DHS not DOD.
But now that DOD is calling itself the
Department of War, maybe DHS is just
fine. Although one is Hegseth and the
other is Noem, so flip a coin.
Coast Guard is also much smaller, has a
smaller budget, and a much smaller PR
budget. No money to toot their own horn.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 10:50 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing
up boats in the Pacific
Yeah, but if it’s on the ocean, I’d
prefer to see a Hawaii Five 0 style
chase. With McGarrett in a speedboat,
and at the end he says “book ‘em, Danno”.
Besides, I think the Coasties are an
underappreciated branch of the US military.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 8:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing
up boats in the Pacific
I prefer to see cartels bombed. When they
started moving the fent, they chose
bombs. A little nose candy here and
there, some dope, a little crystal, even
some heroin was manageable. But these
ducks decided to move shit that one
mistake kills. Fuckbag dealers are
putting it it club drugs and on vicodins.
Kids don't have a chance to make a mistake.
Bomb the shit out of them. Sink their
boats, cut their life jackets, chum the
waters, I don't care as long as they die.
They don't want to give our kids a second
chance, their adults deserve as terrible
a death as possible. Idgaf about human
rights, they don't, and I have no
interest in the high road.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM Dev
<[email protected]> wrote:
Turns out drug dealers sometimes get
shot, who knew? Maybe they were
delivering critical supplies to
orphanages, because speedboats with
three engines mean urgent care is
being delivered expeditiously?
On Oct 22, 2025, at 3:03 PM, Ken
Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
Article on the latest generation
of US Coast Guard “Over The
Horizon” boats.
https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat
Generally deployed from a ramp on
the back of a larger cutter along
with helicopters. These things
vaguely remind me of the WWII PT
boats.
I would not want to try and
outrun the Coast Guard.
*From:* AF
<[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22,
2025 4:24 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're
blowing up boats in the Pacific
Yes, and that's the primary
argument against this practice.
If we have solid intel that
they're carrying drugs, and we
know where they are, then as soon
as they enter our territorial
waters we can board the boat and
arrest them. The Coast Guard
doesn't need a warrant or even a
specific reason to board a boat.
Some of those boats are faster
than Cutters, but I don't have
solid info on how often they
actually escape when they're
already being tracked. It's hard
to imagine they really get away
often because the Coast Guard
also has helicopters, and they're
allowed to continue a pursuit
into international waters (and
onto land) as long as the pursuit
started in US waters.
Regardless of how often they
really get away, it's not normal
to blow up someone's boat as a
law enforcement action. We also
don't execute drug traffickers,
and even when the state executes
someone there's a trial first.
but.....
1. post-911 we treat foreign
terrorist organizations as
enemy combatants
1. the executive branch gets to
decide who counts as an FTO.
The sec of state, sec of
treasury, and attorney
general all have to agree,
but they also all have the
same boss.
1. Nobody can really stop the
executive branch from
declaring an FTO.
1. Congress could pass a
bill to override
someone's listing as an
FTO, but to date they've
never done it.
1. The courts could overturn
an FTO listing, but for a
lot of reasons it's
almost impossible.
So effectively the President
and/or their cabinet has a
completely legal pathway to
authorize military force against
just about anyone, and there's
very little anyone can do about
it. It's not that I have sympathy
for drug smugglers, it's that all
we can do is take someone's word
for it that it was a drug
smuggler. If anyone is totally
comfortable with that then I'm
curious what your rationale is.
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*From:* AF
<[email protected]> on
behalf of Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22,
2025 3:00 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] now we're
blowing up boats in the Pacific
_https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361
<https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361>_
I thought the Coast Guard was
able to intercept boats and board
them, arrest people and
confiscate cargo. I seem to
remember they specifically
acquired high speed boats that
were a match for anything a drug
runner might have.
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