So are the Houthis justified sinking vessels in the Red Sea from
companies and countries that support Israel’s war in Gaza?
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 9:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific
The Daily had a really good bit on this yesterday. Not
particularly about blowing up boats but about the competing interests
in the Trump administration re Venezuela. It's a great 30 min listen.
Background: Maduro lost the last election in a landslide (30%/70%)
but refused to cede power.
TLDL:
Trump wanted to cut a deal and was working on it but Rubio won out and
is focused on regime change.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/podcasts/the-daily/us-venezuela-maduro-boat-attacks.html
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 9:33 PM Steve Jones
<[email protected]> wrote:
Heh
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025, 9:13 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
Might be safer to have a Maple Leaf flag. You could always
run the stars and bars, at least they would presume you would
be armed and would fight.
*From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mark
Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 7:41 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific
So that American flag on the back is going to protect me from
the various other countries that decide to even up the score?
On Oct 23, 2025, at 9:10 PM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected]> wrote:
Stop smuggling and you will be just fine….
*From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Mark
Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 6:57 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the
Pacific
Someday I would really like to be able to sail around the
Caribbean and South America without having to worry about
being randomly blown out of the water for no reason at
all. “Well, the US said it was OK to kill people in
international waters”.
Mark
On Oct 23, 2025, at 1:31 AM, Jason McKemie
<[email protected]> wrote:
It seems very telling that when they blew up a boat
and people survived, they sent them back to their home
country vs prosecuting them. You can't introduce that
testimony into the public record.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 11:44 PM Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]> wrote:
Replying to myself, which is perhaps a sign I
should be in therapy, but I just realized one
reason why the Coast Guard is underappreciated or
at least unknown compared to Army, Navy, Air Force
and Marines. They are part of DHS not DOD.
But now that DOD is calling itself the Department
of War, maybe DHS is just fine. Although one is
Hegseth and the other is Noem, so flip a coin.
Coast Guard is also much smaller, has a smaller
budget, and a much smaller PR budget. No money to
toot their own horn.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of
*Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 10:50 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats
in the Pacific
Yeah, but if it’s on the ocean, I’d prefer to see
a Hawaii Five 0 style chase. With McGarrett in a
speedboat, and at the end he says “book ‘em, Danno”.
Besides, I think the Coasties are an
underappreciated branch of the US military.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 8:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats
in the Pacific
I prefer to see cartels bombed. When they started
moving the fent, they chose bombs. A little nose
candy here and there, some dope, a little crystal,
even some heroin was manageable. But these ducks
decided to move shit that one mistake kills.
Fuckbag dealers are putting it it club drugs and
on vicodins. Kids don't have a chance to make a
mistake.
Bomb the shit out of them. Sink their boats, cut
their life jackets, chum the waters, I don't care
as long as they die. They don't want to give our
kids a second chance, their adults deserve as
terrible a death as possible. Idgaf about human
rights, they don't, and I have no interest in the
high road.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM Dev
<[email protected]> wrote:
Turns out drug dealers sometimes get shot, who
knew? Maybe they were delivering critical
supplies to orphanages, because speedboats
with three engines mean urgent care is being
delivered expeditiously?
On Oct 22, 2025, at 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]> wrote:
Article on the latest generation of US
Coast Guard “Over The Horizon” boats.
https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat
Generally deployed from a ramp on the back
of a larger cutter along with helicopters.
These things vaguely remind me of the WWII
PT boats.
I would not want to try and outrun the
Coast Guard.
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 4:24 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing
up boats in the Pacific
Yes, and that's the primary argument
against this practice. If we have solid
intel that they're carrying drugs, and we
know where they are, then as soon as they
enter our territorial waters we can board
the boat and arrest them. The Coast Guard
doesn't need a warrant or even a specific
reason to board a boat. Some of those
boats are faster than Cutters, but I don't
have solid info on how often they actually
escape when they're already being
tracked. It's hard to imagine they really
get away often because the Coast Guard
also has helicopters, and they're allowed
to continue a pursuit into international
waters (and onto land) as long as the
pursuit started in US waters.
Regardless of how often they really get
away, it's not normal to blow up someone's
boat as a law enforcement action. We also
don't execute drug traffickers, and even
when the state executes someone there's a
trial first.
but.....
* post-911 we treat foreign terrorist
organizations as enemy combatants
* the executive branch gets to decide
who counts as an FTO. The sec of
state, sec of treasury, and attorney
general all have to agree, but they
also all have the same boss.
* Nobody can really stop the executive
branch from declaring an FTO.
o Congress could pass a bill to
override someone's listing as an
FTO, but to date they've never
done it.
o The courts could overturn an FTO
listing, but for a lot of reasons
it's almost impossible.
So effectively the President and/or their
cabinet has a completely legal pathway to
authorize military force against just
about anyone, and there's very little
anyone can do about it. It's not that I
have sympathy for drug smugglers, it's
that all we can do is take someone's word
for it that it was a drug smuggler. If
anyone is totally comfortable with that
then I'm curious what your rationale is.
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*From:* AF <[email protected]> on
behalf of Ken Hohhof <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 3:00 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] now we're blowing up
boats in the Pacific
_https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361
<https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361>_
I thought the Coast Guard was able to
intercept boats and board them, arrest
people and confiscate cargo. I seem to
remember they specifically acquired high
speed boats that were a match for anything
a drug runner might have.
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